isoHunt sues CRIA in self defense, Round 2

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:08 pm

The recording industry is fighting a loosing battle. Music is already free and readily available. thank you for your good service and being a pioneer in this action. Not backing down from corporate american greed.

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:18 pm

The bottom line with usage rights, copyright laws, and the internet as a whole, is the Bottom Dollar. As history has extensively proven time and time again, this is about power and control. And due to our insignificant financial backing, and without the plethora of power hungry egotistical attorney's, we are targeted for thinking outside the box, not conforming to social standards and not fitting into any political agenda. Ergonomics, statistical criteria, and future 500 hundred companies are only looking "At the tree and not the forest." Unfortunately file sharing is at a stand still, because some say "There is no such thing as a free lunch." I can say that keeping your friends close and your enemies closer will only get you stabbed in the back because your enemies are now at reaching distance.

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:08 pm

Its funny that everyone is going nuts over this.

Last year alone,the top grossing movie was busted like 3 times. Top selling ever.
Same thing with games. COD5...top selling game,yet i saw files for that a week before its release. So,how did that affect sales? Not negatively,obviously.
And music....There are more smaller bands touring and releasing material now more than ever. Its not that sales are really down,just from the top 5%. There are more tours coming through,and thats where you make your money. Bands have traditionally not made much from record sales.
Thats why they take merch pirating so serious.

Another thing,no more pirating in the traditional sense. In the 90s,i remember there being stands of them right outside Tower in NY. Right outside. Now thats not possible,so money isnt going to people other than the intended. Yeah,there are people with 100s of gigs of stuff,but if they couldnt have done that,do you really think they would have paid for all that? No. Yet thats how they try and calculate loses.

And what about Ipods and other MP3 players. 40 gig player...you realize how many songs that is? Thgat full would cost thousands. Totally inpractical,yet they sell them as they know that people DL stuff. ANYONE bitching about that? OF COURSE not.

Or what about used items? Record stores sell used copies...none of that goes to copyright owners.

What about audio and video tapes? They were used the same way,and there wasnt a universal breakdown of media.

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:42 pm

How many file sharers are there?

How many file sharers are in every country?

All the file sharers on the planet outweigh all the Corporations and Governments of the World let alone Parties and Industries included! ..

The people behind wanting to stop file sharing and administer new laws are making up illegal laws! Because the majority disagree with that law!..There was never that type of law, or law of its nature to begin with, now Governments are wanting to make up new laws and introduce them as legal..

New made up laws that most the majority of the population of the planet disagree with can NEVER be established as a true law! And it is illegal!

Just like when United States went to war with Iraqi/ (Afghanistan)
The majority did not want it and therefore it was illegal and today, still is illegal!..

Sharing of any shape or form is sharing!!

Since when has sharing been illegal???

Its a human right to share and anyone opposed against sharing is against human rights!!!... Because everyone does it!! There cant be a law against it!!!

The internet has been established as a free place for everyone!! Nobody owns the internet!!! Its open standards mean you dont even have to pay for access, and its free to share anything you want!!

Its not up to the ISP to restrict bandwidth or what you can and cannot download off the internet. All they do is provide access. Access which rightly should be free access!!! ... Anyway, thats another subject...

Currently there is NO law that says what you CAN and CANNOT download off the internet .
All the Film industry, Music Corporations and other Organisations are trying to do is stop the flow of information, and what the Population can have access too. Which they do not have any right to tell anyone!!!..

The majority rule not Corporations or Government!! ...

There are no rules or laws that say search engines or web sites cannot or should not allow web links to file sharing or other information??? The moment that happens, it would seriously limit the flow of information and access to information!!! (It has nothing to do with copyright!!!)

People better be careful what they wish for!!!..

Net neutrality is the way!!! That means no one can control what you can have access to!!!

I have in my possession and have read science technology articles way back in 2003 regarding the real speed of actual internet “data transfer” over copper wire, and its mind blowing!! Truly amazing!!! The technology and hardware are already out!! Nobody needs to upgrade or buy any new hardware!! Its the TCP/IP protocol thats at fault!!! This new protocol has been around for ages but for some unknown reason, it has never been totally, properly or truly implemented in the customer hardware side??only slower off shoots by other providers , web browsers or dial up companies( I wonder why) of course everyone needs to be using it to see any real results!!
Even everyone on the planet could be connected to the net at the same time and there would be no collision no lag no bottle neck and everyone could download at speeds over 10,000GBps !!!...... yes!!! (10,000GBps)!!! (Fast TCP/IP)

It’s all about control and everybody not just IsoHunt should fight this or stand their ground wisely and not give in or accept alternative ways, its the population and the planets freedom at stake!!!...

All the best!!!...

(Technology, free lunch?.. the world ant seen nothing yet!!!!)

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:44 pm

What so many of us know but so few outside of our P2P circle seem to understand is that there is one type of publicity that has been around for centuries upon centuries.

That is "Word of Mouth". I can't begin to say how many films, music artists and authors I would otherwise know nothing about if it weren't for P2P file sharing.

I can't speak for the entire community but for me P2P is like a "full screening" of whatever it is being shared. A movie for example, how many of us have absolutely HATED a movie we have bought or paid to see in theaters or the more expensive IMAX ? I know I have spent a pretty big chunk of change on things I ended up not even enjoying. P2P offers me the ability to watch a film or read a book etc. and decide whether it is worth the money of buying the DVD or the Hardcopy of a Book.

Back to Word of Mouth, a film "The Tournament" I recently got my hands on. I have never seen a trailer for it, never saw it publicized but thanks to p2p sharing, I found it. Read some comments, googled it and now I have it on order so I can see all the tasty tid-bits of special features. (Jaybob's copy of "The Tournament" is top notch btw.)

Point being, without getting too cheesy, sites like ISOHunt are todays bards for the entertainment industry. Without them, many of us, would be much less informed on "the new" and instead would be watching the DVD we bought five years ago trying our hardest to wipe it clean of scratches.

Many thanks ISO and all that take part in this community.

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:51 pm

or Winston Shrout at http://wssic.com
or Tim Turner at http://americacanbefree.com
or the guys at http://creditorsincommerce.com

Stop trying to play their stupid rigged game. You can make the game work in your favor. Or at the very least, fairly...

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:17 pm

This was posted by a user on another site today, and I thought it was both funny as hell and relevant to the discussion here.

Quote:

From the EFF http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/06/laser-printers-found-guilty-making-available-crime

Laser Printers Found Guilty of “Making Available” Crimes
Deeplink by Emily Berger

Two professors and a student at the University of Washington released a study today explaining “Why My Printer Received a DMCA Takedown Notice” [PDF]. They argue that DMCA takedown notices, used as the principle mechanism for enforcing copyright on the Internet, should be viewed skeptically. We couldn’t agree more!

The researchers examined BitTorrent file-sharing networks using specially designed BitTorrent clients to monitor the traffic on these networks. Even though their clients did not upload or download any files, the researchers received over 400 takedown requests accusing them of copyright infringement. Every one of those notices was a false positive. Their results show that "potentially any Internet user is at risk for receiving DMCA takedown notices today.”

In fact, as the New York Times put it, “an inanimate object could also get the blame.” Three laserjet printers used in the study were accused in takedown letters by the MPAA of downloading copies of "Iron Man” and the latest Indiana Jones film.

Colleges and universities should pay close attention to the findings, given that students often face harsh penalties from their institutions if they are hit with a DMCA notice. The RIAA has admitted that it bases its DMCA notices to universities and colleges solely on identifying files as "available” for sharing even though two courts, D. Mass. [PDF] and D. Ariz. [PDF], have confirmed that making files available, in and of itself, does not violate copyright law, and even making files available can cause no conceivable financial harm. (The RIAA does insist that their investigators actually download files before sending prelitigation letters and filing lawsuits.)

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:29 am

I don't want to sound unintelligent but I download for the simple fact of getting my money's worth. Just because I download an entire CD does not mean that if I don't love it I'm not going to delete it off my computer and sorry I wasted my time on it.

Even if I have the files and have burned them to a CD, it's still nice to go out and get that album if I love it or that movie just for the simple fact of possession.

I don't feel this is stealing, I live in America and things are really hard here. People are scraping and it shouldn't mean that we should waste good money on a horrible movie or CD when that money could be better spent on all the mortgages in this country that are behind or groceries people are begging the government to provide them with.

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:44 am

May have missed it but....

What does CRIA stand for?

God I hate acronyms.

Over and out.

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:48 am

Canadian Recording Industry Association

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:49 am

Jekka wrote:

I don't want to sound unintelligent but I download for the simple fact of getting my money's worth. Just because I download an entire CD does not mean that if I don't love it I'm not going to delete it off my computer and sorry I wasted my time on it.

Even if I have the files and have burned them to a CD, it's still nice to go out and get that album if I love it or that movie just for the simple fact of possession.

I don't feel this is stealing, I live in America and things are really hard here. People are scraping and it shouldn't mean that we should waste good money on a horrible movie or CD when that money could be better spent on all the mortgages in this country that are behind or groceries people are begging the government to provide them with.

Thats the point of this thread and your post wasnt unintelligent at all.
Your reasons are very valid and are shared by most people here.
The only people who sound dumb are the ones who download because they want everything free even if something is worth the money.

If it makes you feel better I download for pretty much the same reason.
Since using P2P I have never been ripped off after buying because I preview everything here.

As Gary Fung is often quoted as saying, P2P is the ultimate radio.
As far as Im concerned P2P ensures that my money is only spent on quality and the profits gained goes only to the people that deserve it.

It is the assumption from companies that whatever you download, you would have otherwised purchased that is false.
A lot of these products arent cheap, so to spend hard earned money on something only to realise it is not as good as stated on the packaging can be a frustrating feeling.

Companies that are slating P2P are basically just upset that people have found a way to avoid getting ripped off, thus denting the profit that they dont deserve.

+1 for been concise and making a good point.

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:40 am

if the record & movie industry charged a fair rate for their products people would not & would never have started file sharing.
it is the fat cats at the top who are to blame for people who cant afford stupid amounts of money to buy a cd or a dvd. it is only recently that the corporations have started to drop prices so people will start buying their shit again but it is too little way too late.
because file sharing is world wide now & not a select few people will alays file share.
blame yourselves for this as the world has been ripped off far too long by too many people to now change their ways.
power to the people who first brought file sharing to the web you have done everyone a huge favour.
just look at the weekly box office figures going around $100m for films that cost peanuts to make & distribute.
power to all the p2p sites.

fair price for fair product.
that is what we need.

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:45 am

I saw on 60 minutes and interview with the chairman of the directors association. The arguments were at least childish.
I think it was back in the 50s there was a witch hunt for communists in the US, now it's this.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:07 pm

I'm rather disappointed at the state of the music Industry. From what I see, good musicians aren't making enough money probably due to fact that the bulk of the profit is going straight into the pockets of the CEOs of major record labels. Radiohead has it right. Download & Donate. It's the best way to fuel the bands we love. And the best part is we know exactly where that money is going. I can say with honesty that most of my favorite bands I've found on great sites like this one. And when I can I try my best to give back to these bands by buying their CDs/Merch and going to their shows. I myself am a musician. I spend nearly ever dollar I make on new equipment, I'm broke all the time. BUT I PROMISE. Every track I'm a part of will ALWAYS be available for download by MY hands.

My name is Kyle. 21. KW Ontario. I'm building a studio in my basement. I love music. I want to do everything in my power to support sites like Isohunt & Stop the dirty DMCA and other organizations like it from corrupting the music industry any further then they already have.

(Further research must ensue. But I'll be be back)

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:20 am

We should put up everywhere and again and again (and please, notice about this, Isohunt!):
No.1. Let those "genteman" in CRIA and other agencies put on a table detailed list of contracted representials and detailed list of items and authors, they represent. One could be suprised how short and deminished that lists would be. And, let them show paylists on behalf of authors and items they paid in last year (even shorter than first ones). Just to know, what they're talking about. CRIA and other agencies do not represent small authors. They even do not represent big authors. They represent themselves and record companies.
No.2. Without a list of items they guard nobody can say what they guard. So they can accuse anyone for copying anything, without any proof. No law can stand this.
No.3. I firmly stand on declaration that any cam I produced is MY OWN authorial piece. No matter I shoot my grandma wedding or colored screen in movie theatre for two hours. If I share and how I share my cam it's my own bussines. Is It illegal to shoot in movie theater? Was it illegal to shoot demonstrations on streets of Teheran? And same thing for ripped materials: If I ripp a movie, product is mine. I altered original in a way my genie and my software wanted to expose. I pay repects to original piece and footage. But I made something new from those. And, it's mine. I'm sharing it. Isohunt and Extra torrent are just public boards to inform others what I want to share. And I'm not on the guardening list of CRIA and other agencies.
No.3. How much will they charge Youtube for actually playing all that stuff? (And, will they than pay to me my royalities upon this charge?)