isoHunt sues CRIA in self defense, Round 2

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:30 am

Time? I don't think there's any reason to believe there's awful lot of it available to us.

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:36 pm

if coping and sharing is so illegal then when do we have home DVD recorders that are designed to allow us to record anything shown on TV

its all in the Timing if people weren't sharing new release movies and music if they only shared things long after they had been released no one would have a problem with it

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:47 pm

most of the technology used by P2P is "designed for personal use". if i make a copy of a cd/dvd and give it to my friend nobody can track that, but in essence it is copyright infringement too. Over the internet it goes to many more people and way faster so the government focuses on us.

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:07 pm

We're in a sad world where money talks. I dont know much about file sharing, I only know how to come on here and "steal" a film I am eager to watch or a cd to listen to. I am not very well off so I can't afford to go to the cinema reguarly (except Orange Wednesdays). I do however pay my monthly internet bill and have an expensive laptop so I have/am contributing to the economy. These lawsuits are just about the the rich being scared about maybe not getting richer.

I am not writing anything new here, just wanting to add my tuppence worth. Thanks for reading. Very Happy

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:46 pm

Rooney_is_fat wrote:

These lawsuits are just about the the rich being scared about maybe not getting richer.

Yes, yes all very true, but.....................what's the meaning of your nick man? Shocked

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:14 am

WhiteViper wrote:

Rooney_is_fat wrote:

These lawsuits are just about the the rich being scared about maybe not getting richer.

Yes, yes all very true, but.....................what's the meaning of your nick man? Shocked

He is fat:

Bob Rooney

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:35 am

Whose he????

I was thinking more this guy...

From a_d: Bob Rooney from Married with Children.

Didn't want to post more off topic.

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:24 am

[quote="WhiteViper"]Whose he????

I was thinking more this guy...

My nick is aimed at that Bob guy but now you come to mention it that granny loving Utd player is a bit rotund too

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:31 pm

astyy wrote:

if coping and sharing is so illegal then when do we have home DVD recorders that are designed to allow us to record anything shown on TV

Another thing I've seen evolving is the music industry. They claim they have had losses because of filesharers. But as an organiser of festivals and parties, I just piss on the asses daring to say such things.

Do you never wonder why festival get more expensive every year? Where does the money go? Now you don't support the band by buying their cd, you support the band by going to a place where they play. Paying a band to play at one of your gigs, or a dj to play at your party is more expensive then it used to be.
And the organiser has to adapt too, so the consumer still pays for the music, just in another way.

I've seen and know bands that put their music up for free, with the same tactic, claiming that it works.
It's just wrong for them to say they got no income, because we 'steal' their music.

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:52 pm

Broes wrote:

It's just wrong for them to say they got no income, because we 'steal' their music.

So far the few people coming to this site complaining in that manner have been found to just be unpopular or not producing stuff that interests people in the first place.

It's always nice to have a fall guy to blame for your problems though, and right now p2p is that fall guy for these industries.

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:22 pm

I got shut down by my ISP for downloading content that is NOT LICENSED in the US, and was therefore NOT ILLEGAL for me to download. ISP's don't even look at what a DMCA bot tells them, they just act. I had to throw an absolute fit at them to get them to even tell me WHY they shut me down. All I knew was that I woke up one morning and my internet wouldn't connect and my employer was pissed at me because I couldn't do my job.

I download anime as it airs in Japan, which is generally not licensed in the US until after it finishes airing (although some companies have started licensing after the first two episodes). I don't mind paying $25-30 for a blu ray movie that I know I like, but I am NOT going to pay $25-30 PER DVD for a 26 episode series when there are 3 episodes on each disc. Assuming the company bothers to even release it some time this decade. Or ever has any intention of releasing it.

I freely admit that I have over a terabyte of fansubbed anime. I am well aware that fansubbing is illegal. However, I also have a whole closet full of old VHS tapes that my husband and I bought LEGALLY. I don't want to think about how much of my husband's monthly income went straight to VIZ Video for seven seasons and however many OVA's and movies of Ranma 1/2 and god knows what else is in there.

That didn't stop me from downloading a digital copy of the same series, though. I HAVE the VHS. I BOUGHT the VHS. The quality SUCKS. But because I don't have a VCR anymore I should pay $27 per DVD for the same three episodes per disc that were on the VHS tape so I can watch it again? Oh HELL no. Not for something that huge. And depressingly, the fansub translations are frequently better than the 'official' versions.

That said, I have three copies of the anime movie Akira. One on VHS and two on DVD (one came in a tres-cool tin box with omakes, I couldn't resist). I have two copies of the movie Hudson Hawk (VHS & DVD, and the day it comes out on blu ray I'll have that, too), three copies of The Rock (VHS, DVD, & blu ray), two of The Fifth Element (DVD & blu ray), the list goes on...

I'm not going to pay $15-20 for a CD with 12-15 songs on it when I only want one. I'm sure as hell not going to pay $15-20 per CD for the entire Bon Jovi or Megadeath or (insert your favorite band here) collection of CD's when all I want to know is which song played on the radio last night.

So much for the recording industry's "lost revenue" argument.

The companies that license foreign anime and sell them here pay a one-time licensing fee. The production company in Japan doesn't get royalties from sales in the US.

So much for the distribution industry's "you're cheating the author/actor" argument.

The only people involved in making movies that get royalties are the big-name actors/actresses and the company executives. Everyone else gets paid when the movie is made. That's why all the fuss about earning enough to cover production costs.

So much for the movie industry's "you're cheating the cameraman/caterer/guy-who-drives-the-widget-truck" argument.

It's all about the money and who controls access to what. I'm not against paying for a product I want - but, like everything else I buy, I weigh what it's worth against what they're charging before I get out my debit card.

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:26 pm

lady.grae I hope you can switch ISPs. And be sure to use peer block for your bittorent need.

Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:57 pm

HI All:

I have read the recent posts and I agree that it is all about money. I usually download stuff that is no longer available or in print. Also when I look for stuff for sale, a lot of things that I am interested in (especially movies) have been edited by the distributor to appeal to a larger audience. I will not pay for crap at the store simply because that's how the distributor wants it down. Keep up the good fight and I hope we win the court case. Very Happy

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:38 pm

As the official "Save The Music Fan" part of Cowbell, I agree with the thoughts in this post and hope that the real artists find a voice that is not dictated by the labels that control them. As Prince quite simply put, we are no longer "slaves" to the corporate system. To the undecided artists reading this post, CONNECT WITH FANS and they will support you.

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:10 am

IH wrote:

I already wrote a fair bit about our legal struggle with CRIA, so I'm not repeating them here again. Since CRIA's initial cease and desist letters (effectively asking us to shutdown entirely), we have tried to reason with CRIA, have petitioned the court on our legal right to exist as a search engine. Both to no avail, since Judge Curtis has denied our "petition" as improper form, and have ordered us to a normal, lengthy and costly legal "action". We have done that this week.

Here's our Statement of Claim (pdf) we just filed for our action at the BC Supreme Court.

As I've written to the Canadian government in the public consultation for upcoming copyright reform, I have high hopes for Canadian copyright laws and its courts to not make the mistakes that have been made elsewhere in the world. We must fight the increasing noise we are drowned in, that file sharing is stealing. I believe we Canadians are especially blessed with musical talent such as Sarah McLachlan, Celine Dion, Nelly Furtado, Lights and many others. So many that our "cultural output" per capita is arguably greater than that of many other countries. And we have done this without the excessive litigation against consumers that the legal climate in countries like our southern neighbor has encouraged. Thanks in part to our lack of DMCA-like copyright laws that does more harm than good.

With continued changes in both the digital marketplace and usage of P2P search engines like isoHunt, I believe now is a better time than ever to put our differences aside with copyright owners, and figure out how we can utilize P2P distribution and social media for the benefit of all. The internet has widened our choice in music more than ever before, and the music industry is live and well contrary to lies of certain lobbyists. The EU have also commissioned a study that found, P2P is not to blame for failures of certain parts of content industries. Why? How? Because P2P is the greatest radio ever.

If you are a musician and agree with us, we would love to hear from you! We have already heard many interesting feedback, like that of a book author, we want to hear more. And I cordially invite you to join our new spinoff, Hexagon.cc. Together, we can create a better future for content distribution and sharing. Same goes out to film makers, software and game developers.

As for CRIA and member record labels, if you come to your sense of reason, I would love to talk to you outside of court. The ball you've dropped on us is back to you.

I laughed so hard when you started to go on about, "I believe we Canadians are especially blessed with musical talent such as Sarah McLachlan, Celine Dion, Nelly Furtado, Lights and many others."

I LOL'ed. Hard.

Jokes aside, I support you.