Copyright lawsuit update and introducing isoHunt Lite (Beta)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:20 pm

I really know know too much about either country's laws, but just from a convenience stand point, pasting a magnet link in an instant message or email is more conenient that uploading an email.

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:29 pm

Does the copyright expire after so many years? I know it can be passed down to heirs after someone dies. I think there is a patterm protection limit on medical drugs and it expires at some time. What is the actual penalty if some one is prosecuted for downloading a movie?

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:58 am

I heard Canada updated its file-sharing laws, supposedly on June 5th 2010 and its going to make it easier to go after people downloading illegal files.

I looked around a bit and found this http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/copyright+bill+makes+easier+after+illegal+file+sharing/3101769/story.html Didn't see any threads about it and this seemed like a decent place to discuss. Anyone have anymore more info on this or thoughts?

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:14 am

Ultron wrote:

I heard Canada updated its file-sharing laws, supposedly on June 5th 2010 and its going to make it easier to go after people downloading illegal files.

I looked around a bit and found this http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/copyright+bill+makes+easier+after+illegal+file+sharing/3101769/story.html Didn't see any threads about it and this seemed like a decent place to discuss. Anyone have anymore more info on this or thoughts?

http://isohunt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=468777

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:48 am

IH lite which removed any direct links and also in no way offered any solicitation to download was essentially torpedoed right from the start.
So my conclusions are its about shutting down peer to peer as we know it.
what we have is a tool that is free fast and can reach everyone and any one that is interested.
I have said it before and say it again as I believe it to be the only logical truth.
P2P and the torrent system is something that others want for themselves to turn into a paid for service for profit.
It is not theirs but they want it and what better way to do it than get governments on your side to shut it down deprive its worldwide user base and then sell it piece meal just as they do with the airwaves for mobile networks.
It sucks and I apoligise if it sounds as a C theory but I can see no other logic to this attack which costs the attackers billions of dollars. If they spend that much then I can only assume its an investment. They see a return on that investment and that is the only logic I can find in spending such sums trying to shut down P2P and torrents.

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:50 am

johnno23 wrote:

IH lite which removed any direct links and also in no way offered any solicitation to download was essentially torpedoed right from the start.
So my conclusions are its about shutting down peer to peer as we know it.
what we have is a tool that is free fast and can reach everyone and any one that is interested.
I have said it before and say it again as I believe it to be the only logical truth.
P2P and the torrent system is something that others want for themselves to turn into a paid for service for profit.
It is not theirs but they want it and what better way to do it than get governments on your side to shut it down deprive its worldwide user base and then sell it piece meal just as they do with the airwaves for mobile networks.
It sucks and I apoligise if it sounds as a C theory but I can see no other logic to this attack which costs the attackers billions of dollars. If they spend that much then I can only assume its an investment. They see a return on that investment and that is the only logic I can find in spending such sums trying to shut down P2P and torrents.

Indeed.

To be honest, not to many people knew about torrenting until these company's started advertising it with lawsuits that cost them more then the return they get on a few people not getting their content.

Besides, where can you draw a line on ideas anyway as far as copyright is concerned. It's just another way to make a buck really. I like to say this: Thomas Edison made the light bulb, right? Well I say he should get paid from the people he sells his light bulbs to. But others are going to figure out how to make more light bulbs for themselves or copy these light bulbs and maybe even sell his own stock. That doesn't mean that the guy(or us even), owes Thomas for the rest of our lives. Be grateful yes, but not overbearing...

So I feel... This is me now. I feel that if I go out and buy a movie, it's mine to do with whatever the hell I want to do with it just like I would a roll of damned toilet paper! Jesus Christ you idiot CEO's of this so called entertainment industry, more of the movies and music I hear or see are garbage except save a few in present day! (preferences not included, I'm talking acting, FX, sound and the limited variety of actors they have)

And to think this whole campaign of theirs started out for reasons of people selling their stuff for money, but seems they always miss the road side flee market guy with a box of 500 movies... I know police who get movies there because it's cheap. They aren't even worried about such trivial things I guess. /salute

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:15 pm

interesting point about the box of dvd's curiousjohndoe.
I lived in Holland for 23 years and worked all over Europe in the exhibition world doing trade shows.
The illegals in europe have been selling illegal copy pirated dvd's without fear.
The answer is simple. European law states that if an illegal is arrested then he/she must be processed. That means a shitload of paper work, it also means that they need to be housed and receive an income whilst waiting for the process to be completed. This can take months so the general attitude is "move on" the police will not arrest them but ask them to move on.....effing incredible. They will only target people where they think they can get some money. If its gonna cost something then "move on"

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:31 am

johnno23 wrote:

interesting point about the box of dvd's curiousjohndoe.
I lived in Holland for 23 years and worked all over Europe in the exhibition world doing trade shows.
The illegals in europe have been selling illegal copy pirated dvd's without fear.
The answer is simple. European law states that if an illegal is arrested then he/she must be processed. That means a shitload of paper work, it also means that they need to be housed and receive an income whilst waiting for the process to be completed. This can take months so the general attitude is "move on" the police will not arrest them but ask them to move on.....effing incredible. They will only target people where they think they can get some money. If its gonna cost something then "move on"

I just dunno anymore. It confuses me so much to think that our so called free democracy, our government would let such a corporation or industry dictate law. I knew they where corrupt people in office and judges, but this just rattles my bones to where I'd think about colonizing my own island... I mean to have enough influence to take Gary/isohunt on and put so much damn pressure, in ANOTHER country. Canada pushing laws at the whim of the United Empire of the States of America. And not to mention our congress letting both Bush's war for oil in the East... Oh and don't forget our recent indignity. Obama basically told America/congress this recent health bill is going through.(Or that's my short version of it anyway.) Bill, isn't a better man by far, but I haven't found anyone who hasn't agreed with me when I say he made all the wrong mistakes at the right time and made American a power house that Bush and Obama are riding down the steep hill roller coaster we are on now.(And we haven't hit the bottom yet!)

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:50 am

I suppose it comes down to
"things are gonna get worse before they ever get any better"

Pacino23 also put up a topic where creative commons is now also being attacked as copyright holders disagree that the public may distribute their own materials via P2P.

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:25 am

I promise to agree to 'giving up' all rights to the internet.

IF......the governments of the world allow all the rest of us complete access to all creations they have. If the microwave oven is 70 years + old then it stands to reason we are being somewhat, held back?

Therefore, give us the technology and we can build our own 'internet' and share with who we god damn like.....No wires...No messy infrastructure... But clean, instant connectivity at the touch of a button...Sound familiar?

It will get a lot worse before it gets better but all the signs are pointing to a massive shift in our collective consciousness which these wankers are literally in their 'last gasp death throws'...Unfortunately these 'death throws' are gonna last for quite some time yet...Go with it, put the odd pointless barrier in front of them 'to wind them up and waste their time' but they will fall sooner or later. 'We' got nothing to worry about except the odd couple of billion deaths...She'll be right ppl Very Happy

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:58 am

You are correct is saying it will get a lot worse before it gets better. If history repeats itself, and it will, we'll probably loose even more substance than we have now with our connectivity. But after a major injunction the MPAA and such is trying to put on us wont last a decade, just as the prohibition crumbled, we still get to drink our beer and mojito's anytime we want(cheers!). So as to will this come to a significant ending, or so I'm hoping at all costs. Media and entertainment is already having a bad influence on our younger generation. So of the nonsense they spout out on the Dis. Science channel is just ludicrous(meaning Steven Hawkin, even though he has contributed a lot to science, he does NOT know everything, even his most recent theories are guesses) BUT, they show it in class rooms and teach it as recent. Now, that's just wrong. Anyway, where was I. Yes, though hardships lie ahead of us P2P'ers, we may have a future.

I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it until my fingers aren't able to type on a keyboard again, then I'll get a machine like Hawkins and make it type for me, that they are fighting piracy, not sharing. P2P'ing is sharing with one another, friends strangers or the like using our own resources, and not publicly where anyone can see, you have to be knowledgeable unless you have help. People using this method to burn or reproduce media and sell it as goods, that's where they need to focus their attention. Not on us, a byproduct of the happening. Sugar coat it and blame P2P all you want, but it's been here for decades under the shadows with out an eye turned, but yet some CEO gets in a bad mood, and our world turns upside down almost over night. /sigh

ok I'm done. I don't think there's enough space on any forum for me to rant as much as I could!

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:40 pm

Although they are 'supposed' to be fighting against piracy, they're not. They'd rather make the whole medium illegal and eliminate any threats completely.

Movies like Ink and other Indy titles, which were not something that the MPAA made money from, are also threats. The record/movie industry doesn't want P2P at all, because they want these indy authors and writers to go through them (and increase their monetary flow).

Also, IMHO the reason they are attacking IH has more to do with getting monetary damages through judgment than anything. That is why they'll attack IH, but not Google (they know Google would stomp them into the dirt with the money they can use for lawyers).

There is always going to be a black market, using any and every means to network. P2P isn't inherently evil even though the media (at least US media) says it is. Networks and papers don't get money showing success stories like Ink. They get money showing every bit of negativity that they can, and getting the sheeple going around screaming 'So-and-so is bad! I saw it on T.V."

I wish that torrent networks and other P2P means would(could?) turn around and attack the RIAA and MPAA for sabotage, defamation, and the transmission of harmful and privacy-invading malware.

The G1, G2, edonkey, and other networks are all but useless now due to the massive numbers of bots they have running throughout the world providing fake results, often packages with virii/malware included. If the MPAA/RIAA had their way, the torrent network would be in the same boat.

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:04 pm

In many respects a lot of what has been done has only created an ever more confusing picture for the general public. Bots in place to create artificially high numbers of seeds leeches and the number of files being offered that are fake are being used as numbers to illustrate how many downloads and available copies of media are available online.
This is at its most basic level.
Dishonest, a manipulation of fact, a presentation of a lie as truth and the basic premise where mega corporations squash any viable alternatives to their own game plans and agendas.

If we as citizens should blatantly use the same tools and manipulation of fiction as fact then we would be prosecuted under the law for misrepresentation, basic con trickery and any other number of privacy discretions. The injection of malware and spyware is in fact a criminal offense as we have seen when a someone drops a virus into the system that disrupts any official capacity.

Therefore the conclusion is "one rule for the people" and another rule for the corporations. They act is if they are above the law and one day they will fall. I cannot help but laugh at the idiocy and shortsightedness of such institutions. They remind of the anti console games crusader that had his 14 year old son enter best buy to purchase an adult game. His attitude was "see the laws do no protect our children Shocked

?
That he in fact broke laws as coercion aiding and abetting and causing a minor to break federal law was not an issue.

Shakes head in bewilderment and smiles that places as IH do exist and even though many come and go the very site mentioned in above post can still be navigated by P2P savvy people.

They can con the masses but never truly conquer individuals.

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:38 pm

Well put. We'll just have to keep playing the waiting game and see how the rest of this business plays out. But here is to P2P'ing in the mean time. /cheers

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:48 am

I'm a servicemember serving abroad, and my internet is piped from where we are to a connecting point in the UK; and now we're only receiving the /lite site now.

Has the /lite been pushed out now to the UK and beyond? it was nice not having to use the /lite once I left the US. It would be a moderate /fail if the first program/website/service I had to concider me in the US would be the blanket /fail imposed on IH.

Hulu, Netflix, Youtube and Speedtest.net still concider me "outside the US"

I would appreciate being enlightened on this development.