Is the implementation of Sharia Law fair?

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:09 am

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Good points are that if you steal and rob then you get what you deserve...

I can see it all now.
Sharia Law implemented in USA.
MPAA takes man to court for downloading crappy 300.
Sentence............hands chopped off Laughing

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:28 am

aki_stan wrote:

Why do you have to refer to him as an islamist, whats and Islamist???

does that make you a Jewist big mac???

Individuals who promote a religion or their belief exist in all walks of life, the fact that you dislike people who follow Islam because a minority in the world want to see jews wiped off the face of this earth shouldn't cloud your views.

I wouldn't have a problem with sharia law if it was implemented fairly, the problem is that it isn't and therefore will never work in a democratic western society.

It does have it's good points and bad points, bad points are women who are raped in the majority of cases are never believed and are in the main accused of being in the wrong. Good points are that if you steal and rob then you get what you deserve...

You're a funny man. The talk about Islamist only constituting a minority is quite an understatement. Of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, there are millions worldwide that follow the Islamist violent ways and methodology to impose sharia law among one thing and to impose dhimmitude status upon the rest of its constituents. Then you have the tens of millions who are supporters of sharia law who serve as the apologist base for these extremists.

When I say Islamist, I don't necessarily refer to this definition:

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Is·lam·ism
n.

1. An Islamic revivalist movement, often characterized by moral conservatism, literalism, and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life.

Although the above definition is related to this one:

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Islamist is used to denote Muslims violently opposed to the encroachment of "western" military, economic, political, social, and cultural influence or occupation on the Muslim world

They aren't necessarily all that different from eachother. In terms of Islamic conservatism and the implementation of 'Islamic values' in all spheres of life' intinsicly implies that these values are incompatible with any democratic governing system, or any system, which puts the needs of the people before that of G-d. Islamist has become a keyterm rather than the elongated use of militant Islamist.

Additionally, the first definition of Islamist directly applies to the previous poster. But really, you could've easily gone to dictionary.com or googled it. Why the laziness?

There isn't a fair way to implement sharia law since sharia law only serves Muslims, while marginalizing women's rights and equality and non-Muslims as well as Sunni or Shia, depending where sharia law is implemented. So there isn't a fair way. If you assume this, then you have no idea what sharia law is all about.

The present judicial system in Western countries (although I question why a person charge for narcotics related crimes receives a harsher sentence than a pedophile and a person charged with 1st degree manslaughter) work substancially better than in any Islamic country. One implementation of sharia law in regards to 'honor killings' barely punishes those who commit these crimes against their own family members and justifies such things. A Muslim woman who wants to divorce her husband is cast out of society and for the most part disowned by her family for doing so. Additionally, if a muslim woman files for divorce, under sharia law, the woman automatically forfeits her guardianship on any children and has to pay back her dowry.

These are just some examples of how unfair sharia law is. There isn't a fair application in any way and neither has any Islamic country who implements sharia law shown any good promise towards equality in any fashion.

Sharia law is an oxymoron to any democratic form of government, or democratic-related forms, plain and simple.

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:30 pm

bigjelmapro wrote:

Disconnected,

I wish I can give you another +1 rep for the previous post.

Thanks, though it is sort of off to get repped for stating an opinion.

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I realize we have disagreements here and there, but at least we agree on the points you argued against this Islamist apologist.

Here and there? Heh. But you should know by now I'm dislinclined to let bullshit fly, nomatter the source. Bolloxed up post though.. Was half asleep when I wrote it.

aki_stan wrote:

Why do you have to refer to him as an islamist, whats and Islamist???

Which rock have you been hiding under?

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Individuals who promote a religion or their belief exist in all walks of life, the fact that you dislike people who follow Islam because a minority in the world want to see jews wiped off the face of this earth shouldn't cloud your views.

There's been so many opportunities where you could accuse him of doing that. But this isn't one of them.

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I wouldn't have a problem with sharia law if it was implemented fairly, the problem is that it isn't and therefore will never work in a democratic western society.

Rubbish. Sharia is an injustice system, not a justice system. It is discriminatory as hell and promotes collective punishment and obedience through fear (aka, terrorism). How it's implimented is the least of it's problems.

Further, it's an immutable system. It can't be changed, no matter how justified change is. This is why even the most horrendously unjust common law system wins out - because it can change.

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Good points are that if you steal and rob then you get what you deserve...

And you deserve to be maimed for stealing shit? I think not. Or perhaps you don't think I 'deserve' to have arms, because I used to steal food, beer and fags when I was a kid?

But hey, you missed the point of the maiming. It's meant to strike fear into the rest of the rabble, to keep us in line. It's got f-all to do with Sharia or Islam proposing thieves deserve to get maimed.

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:11 pm

its a way of life you can adopt or not no one is forceing you,magority of muslims want it in there own lands first rather than oppose it on any other people.and disconected stop grunting u pig u cant skin anyone.i pasted because people did not no wot sharia law is, that was breive there more in's and out.fine lets all live the way we do ,we just need to build more prisons to keep thease sick'os in . sleep well.

p.s disconneted let me guess you are a jew without a home,try to break in sum one's else's home............................................ land
well see who gets skinned

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:05 pm

You say Jew as if it was an insult.

Please, whilst your opinion has a equal right to be heard; using someones culture or religion in a derogatory manner is one fast way to turn people off listening to whatever you have to say.

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:02 pm

Threatening violence and flaming just got you a yellow card, User 6 . Lets keep the personal and hate attacks out of debates..
This post has been edited after PM with one user.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:45 am

That's all this anti-semite gets? A slap on the wrist?

I despise these Islamists. If nobody forcefully deports them from Western countries, these goatasses will pull these countries back into the stone age.

They're as useful as genital warts.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:48 am

bigjelmapro wrote:

That's all this anti-semite gets? A slap on the wrist?

I despise these Islamists. If nobody forcefully deports them from Western countries, these goatasses will pull these countries back into the stone age.

They're as useful as genital warts.

If we slap people for being anti[insert religion], you would also have to be in the same position.
Edit: Why do you think it's ok to post hate messages about other religions, but disallow others the same rights as you seem to think you have?

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2. Don't reduce things to meaningless trashtalk, ie. racist references like niggers, etc.

It maybe time to be less tolerant to these types of posts, by both sides.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:27 am

my opinion: Make fun of religions all you want, religion is a choice.
Do not make fun of races/ethnicity, that isn't a choice.

Please keep your fun making on an intelligent level, IE, don't just outright call them stupid, dispute their religions claims insted. Smile

-edit- also, try not to stereotype, thanks.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:02 am

bigjelmapro wrote:

That's all this anti-semite gets? A slap on the wrist?

I despise these Islamists. If nobody forcefully deports them from Western countries, these goatasses will pull these countries back into the stone age.

They're as useful as genital warts.

Let me see if I've got this right, If a Muslim who's religion is Islam Objects to the actions being carried out by the state of Israel on the likes of the Palestinians (and others) and as such they (the nation of Israel) deserve everything they get and by that I mean innocent people being killed then the Muslims are now known as ISLAMISTS.....

What you despise Bigmac is not Islamists but Muslims and it's because of this despising (from both sides) that the world is in the sort of mess it's in today.

Why can't you just leave all the racist prejudice in a box for a little while...

I don't have many Muslim friends, but the one's I do don't have issues with Jews, what they have a problem with is the Israeli aggression towards the people of Palestine.

Not that it'll make any difference to you but most of my friends are educated, White, working class and they have a greater dislike of Israeli people so what does that make them, christiansists????

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:32 pm

Omega50 wrote:

bigjelmapro wrote:

That's all this anti-semite gets? A slap on the wrist?

I despise these Islamists. If nobody forcefully deports them from Western countries, these goatasses will pull these countries back into the stone age.

They're as useful as genital warts.

If we slap people for being anti[insert religion], you would also have to be in the same position.
Edit: Why do you think it's ok to post hate messages about other religions, but disallow others the same rights as you seem to think you have?

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2. Don't reduce things to meaningless trashtalk, ie. racist references like niggers, etc.

It maybe time to be less tolerant to these types of posts, by both sides.

How about you refer to the posts of Citizenbfk and get back to me if you still don't think he's an anti-semite, by definition.

anti-semite':
a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.

If you think that despising Islamists, again, look up the definition of an Islamist, isn't justified, then please, make your case, otherwise stop trying to equate what I'm saying as 'hate messages'. Despising Islamists and despising Muslims in general are completely different things, and I'm NOT condoning the latter.

I can almost equate you to an Islamist apologist based on what you're stating here. Please get some background info on what I'm referring to rather than see this as an infringement on one's freedom of speech. There isn't a parallel to be drawn here.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:42 pm

topic locked. if you want to attack my mods, you will end up with a red card next time.