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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:23 am

Disconnected wrote:

I consider myself a patriot, though my allegiance is to the peoples, not the bit of dirt they happen to live on. I won't fight to promote or protect their interests, because it isn't their interests, but rather the interests of a few manipulative megalomaniacs. But I will fight & die to protect their physical safety, if need be. I'd lay down my life for their political safety as well, if only they wanted to be free. But they don't, so it would be a waste of my life.

Hi,

Today's new generation people want go out site not only the state,but also the out site of the country. We should stop this trend. Otherwise a day will come there will not a single well educate person is there.

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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:16 pm

Ditto,I agree with your opinion,thank you!If anyone is there a better idea, saying that out and share,thanks!

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:38 am

I live in the Netherlands, but i can tell ya that where the usual common dutch mentality was "live and let live" (do whatever you want as long as you dont bother someone else with it), is now rapidly going away becouse our western mirror (US and A) has a way to high influence in stuff like "copyright enfrigtment" or the so called "war on drugs" (which never excisted here untill recent years) only to name 2 examples.
This war forces people to buy their drugs AGAIN at the home-grower's adress instead of a shop. In my region we went from 6 coffeshops and pretty much no criminal underworld to 2 shops and a triving population of the so called 'Dealers'.

This forces our country to go to sht since this exact mentality of "live and let live" is THE MAIN reson Amsterdam is packed with the most kinds of people from all regions of the world. (and coz of the weed ofcourse, which is a perfect example of a medium to live and let live ).

This definately started to f**k up the Dutch state of mind and mentality the last couple of years.
Rich people get richer, poor people get poorer even faster by the day.
And before they realize it, their so poor regular life is way to hard for them.
So they start referring to either crack of heroin just to feel good.

So even tho id like to say i love my country, its going backwards at an amazing speed.
The stock's are plummiting, the media sticks its nose in way to many issues, hard-drugs (coke, heroin, crack, meth) are on the rise, and even tho the, yesterday fallen, goverment focuses on setting an "example" for the rest of the world (or europe), they are to blind to see their own country is going to shits.

So my vote goes to "More yes then no" becouse id like to believe we will manage, but due to recent events im not realy betting my money on it.

PS. Here by id like to spread the word! Live and let live doesnt need religion, doest need technology and only needs you to make it come true!

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:01 am

I'm ex-military, I'm very Patriotic! I Love my Country and would fight for my Country, but not my Politicians! Oh don't get me started! To keep myself from being banned for life from the forum I am censoring myself and not writing down what I think about Politicians! Holy crap I almost gave myself an Cerebral Aneurysm holding that one back! Cool

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:46 am

I think you state what many people think mr CAG816
As for Ambu5h 1st off welcome to the forums......
I am also holder of a Dutch passport. Living in China as I was lucky enough to have the means to escape the downward spiral that has been spinning out of control since the introduction of the Euro. €
Anyways......a couple of quick points. Dutch weed is just waaay to strong these days and is one of the reasons that the rise in drug controversy is rearing its ugly head.
Weed was always classed as a drug of social acceptance. However as people do they want it bigger better stronger and this time instead of allowing natures gift to endure they have shot themselves in the foot. Dutch Weed is now so high in THC estimated at triple the a'la natural that the opposers can now use the argument that Dutch weed and its very high THC content is now an Hallucinogen. For those that smoke on a regular basis it may not be so but the number of tourists that now trip out is on the increase.
Doctors now have concerns that for many that might have a slight tendency to wards paranoia will have and do have severe panic attacks.......as opposed to the good old fashioned munchies.
So ....... it is not all the US and A drug attitude that has caused havoc in Nederland.
As for the going backwards I would agree but once again not the direct result of interference but more a case of no one gives a damm.
In the past Nederlanders were quick to respond and did in many cases allow a live and let live but were foremost practical liberal and realised things as a stickie or a visit to the local lady of the night were not something to be pushed underground but something to be controlled. Hence red light districts and coffee shops. Regulated tolerated but open and this helped eradicate a lot of the underground criminality that was associated with it.
Nederland also suffered the malaise of workers that were just pissed off that those who sit on their arses were living better lives and had more spending power than themselves that were working 3 shifts 40 hours a week.
I myself worked for 2 years on an income lower than the social security benefits. every two weeks i received an check for 120 Guldens to keep me with an income equal to a social dropout. Hows that for madness.....and this was 1984 1985. So......the present attitude of the US which i would agree has too much influence over the world is not the rot cause to the problems in Nederland today. It is a useful scapegoat though.
We also have in that small space a huge immigrant woker population that have descendents that are dutch citizens......but the majority are now unemployed. We invited the moroccans the turkish and others to fill the factories in the booming 70's........well my friend, shit happens and that production went away.....I don't know how old you are but I remember Philips moving its factories to over the border to Belgium as it was cheaper......but then Belgium got expensive and they move on again and are now in places as China India and Vietnam. So once again whilst this might give strength to the argument that the rich are getting richer etc it is still the basic rule of economics wether we like it or not.
Nederland has suffered and will continue to suffer as all western countries go through the upheaval of having sent their workers home and production overseas. So.....my final word would be, lets not blame another country as it is not the answer. I will not even get into copyright as the Dutch have been fleecing the public with licensing for donkeys years. Ask your local barman or cafeteria what they pay for having the radio on.......and thats since the 60's.

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:04 am

johnno23 wrote:

As for Ambu5h 1st off welcome to the forums......

Thank you

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johnno23 wrote:

I am also holder of a Dutch passport. Living in China as I was lucky enough to have the means to escape the downward spiral that has been spinning out of control since the introduction of the Euro. €

Been going downwards ever since, mainly coz the prizes in guldens (which where way less valuable then the euro at the start) are the exact same as they are now in the euro. 1,5 gulden is now 1,5 euro (which is halfing the income)

johnno23 wrote:

Anyways......a couple of quick points. Dutch weed is just waaay to strong these days and is one of the reasons that the rise in drug controversy is rearing its ugly head.
Weed was always classed as a drug of social acceptance. However as people do they want it bigger better stronger and this time instead of allowing natures gift to endure they have shot themselves in the foot. Dutch Weed is now so high in THC estimated at triple the a'la natural that the opposers can now use the argument that Dutch weed and its very high THC content is now an Hallucinogen. For those that smoke on a regular basis it may not be so but the number of tourists that now trip out is on the increase.
Doctors now have concerns that for many that might have a slight tendency to wards paranoia will have and do have severe panic attacks.......as opposed to the good old fashioned munchies.
So ....... it is not all the US and A drug attitude that has caused havoc in Nederland.

True for a large part.
Ive been smoking weed for the past 5 years now (22years old now 0.0). Tried ALL kinds possible.
Now the danger isnt for the person who smokes normal weed every day , or the person who smokes, high THC level, weed once in a while .
The danger in this is smoking strains like SuperSilverHaze for over a large period of time. (this means smoking more then 0.4gr a day, or 1 joint)

Ive had my share of problems with this, skin problems, psychological problems, lack of willingness, depression etc.

I noticed that once you smoke every day its best to avoid shop-quality strains (grown indoors under high pressure lightbulbs).
THESE QUALITIES WILL BENEFIT YOU (if you want to destroy your life)
Also any type of hasj is no problem what so ever, no side effects. For me and my friends that is....

Now my point wasnt exacly that they start to limit the thc percentages but the overal process.
After my own experiences its great they are going to limit weed to 15% THC max. MORE WILL COUSE SIDE EFFECTS on the long term.
They are taking away nearly all coffeeshops and they are also trimming down the red light district (never stoped there tbh xD).
This is cousing serious problems in average day life, more dealers on the streets, people with 'sexual problems'.
After so many years this goverment of all should know their demolishing the country like this.

johnno23 wrote:

As for the going backwards I would agree but once again not the direct result of interference but more a case of no one gives a damm.
In the past Nederlanders were quick to respond and did in many cases allow a live and let live but were foremost practical liberal and realised things as a stickie or a visit to the local lady of the night were not something to be pushed underground but something to be controlled. Hence red light districts and coffee shops. Regulated tolerated but open and this helped eradicate a lot of the underground criminality that was associated with it.

The results are never direct, however today the goverment seems to look at the USA first and then decides on what to do...
Also these so called 'crimes' seem to be on an upmarch again.
Now most 'dealers' are still friendly today but as the underground market starts to expand the demand and turfwars will heighten. This will couse 'dealers' to walk around with weapons etc etc etc. you know the story Wink

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johnno23 wrote:

Nederland also suffered the malaise of workers that were just pissed off that those who sit on their arses were living better lives and had more spending power than themselves that were working 3 shifts 40 hours a week.
I myself worked for 2 years on an income lower than the social security benefits. every two weeks i received an check for 120 Guldens to keep me with an income equal to a social dropout. Hows that for madness.....and this was 1984 1985. So......the present attitude of the US which i would agree has too much influence over the world is not the rot cause to the problems in Nederland today. It is a useful scapegoat though.
We also have in that small space a huge immigrant woker population that have descendents that are dutch citizens......but the majority are now unemployed. We invited the moroccans the turkish and others to fill the factories in the booming 70's........well my friend, shit happens and that production went away.....I don't know how old you are but I remember Philips moving its factories to over the border to Belgium as it was cheaper......but then Belgium got expensive and they move on again and are now in places as China India and Vietnam. So once again whilst this might give strength to the argument that the rich are getting richer etc it is still the basic rule of economics wether we like it or not.
Nederland has suffered and will continue to suffer as all western countries go through the upheaval of having sent their workers home and production overseas. So.....my final word would be, lets not blame another country as it is not the answer. I will not even get into copyright as the Dutch have been fleecing the public with licensing for donkeys years. Ask your local barman or cafeteria what they pay for having the radio on.......and thats since the 60's.

I dont blame the USA, i blame my own goverment.
My dad got fired from 1 of philips's factory's for that reson 2 years ago. They were moving to some asian country.
Now ofcourse this is a built-in process of economics but then i wonder, why does nobody do anything about it? Logicaly company's will go to cheaper country's but why would you then start to tax the hell out of the 'poor' people whilst the 'rich' people dont have to pay anything? And due to recent debates i really mean nothing.
Also im currently unemploid and i dont even ask for a 'uitkering' (basicly means getting free money for trying to find work).
I hate this principal and if i can get myself 150euros a month for sitting at home writing some solicitation letters then i dont even want their freekin money.
Indeed way to many people sitting at home smoking weed of the money the goverment gives them.

We lack a goverment with principals and a will to invest and improve.

Now im not saying i hate my life here, becouse to be honest in comparison to 90% of the world we have everything here. I can go on my computer, download from isohunt, play my xbox, watch my 42inch flat screen, drive a car (either fast or slow). So there is always a worse, but i do think that there is no logic in making something that is great, worse.

For any person who ever decides to come live in holland, just make sure you are tested unemployable due to psychological of physical resons. IF that is your case, youll have a great life with free money! All come support our financial crisis!

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:22 am

Thing is that the choices offered in Holland these days when it comes to a vote are not choices. Sadly a case of politicians serving themselves when they should be serving the people.
The days of a country and its political system working to make itself strong and favourable to all are over. In the past it was often a case of people offering service but today it has become a career move.
I think the looking to USA 1st as you put it is also a manner in which they try to cover their arses. USA media is a pretty strong tool and if you are seen to be supportive of american initiatives then a level of support which in turn can further a politicians career moves is obtained.

Personally i would like to see a return to local government run by the locally elected. Some turd in Den Haag has no idea whats happening in the achterhoek. I would also like to see Brussels disbanded as it has only one function......to mess with peoples lives and give fancy dinner parties to elected officials who should be out on the street trying to make our societies better.
But I shall stop as I am getting off track on the original topic of the thread.

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:39 pm

F1 was a boost for our economy. i'm not saying one death is more or less important, i'm saying we need something to boost our morality. unfortunately for some dicks they think burning tires and throwing molotov cocktails at buses and police stations is a better than a 100 million dollars of investment. and how much do you know about that person that died on that rooftop? have you seen any video proof that the police actually did anything to him? no, just your conjecture of what some distraught relative said. protests are chanting slogans and raising picket signs with demands of improvement, not bombing cars, throwing molotovs at police stations, burning tires in the middle of the street, and dumping crude oil in the middle of a highway.

i don't forget about the dead, about the massacre on February 14th 2011. i don't forget about an expat who was severely beaten and had his tongue cut out. i don't forget.

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:06 pm

think about how the world would be a better place if everyone spoke English and french was banned?

They speak English in star trek in the future so all you countries with dodgy languages (non english) should get with the program and learn to speak properly.

Without language differences travel to other countries and sharing of culture would be more common eliminating the need for patriotism. World peace and the demise of religion would ensue.

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:15 pm

during the Islamic Golden Age everybody spoke Arabic, and those who didn't were considered ignoramus. i guess at any given period there is one language everyone speaks cos it's popular. same goes for Latin at some point in history. it isn't really fair to state "if you don't know English, get lost" cos at some point in the future they will be saying the same thing about another language you won't know, and they'll tell you the exact same thing you're telling everyone else. ah, the future of irony. Laughing

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:24 pm

its ok i was talking s$&t. my serious answer would be...... Patriotism is probably good for morale in times of war but a barrier to peaceful coexistence with ones neighbors in times of peace or in times when you want to achieve peace!! Soo all in all I'd say there are more - than + to patriotism

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:19 am

of course i am . i wish you were all dead so i could just eat pizza and chinese food at the same time, hello?
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:00 am

No, I am not patriotic to my mother/s countries, which are China, Philippines, and Spain. I admit, I love the lifestyle I used to have in Manila (Philippines) but the high rate of crimes, the dirtiness, the greed and corruption in fellow neighbor makes me unpatriotic to my own. I don't like China with its sexism against woman and how the government does nothing to improve everyone's life. Spain, I just don't like Spain except for Picasso and Dali.