Net Neutrality: say no to censorship

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:22 am

The Internet was designed as a military expidition for fast communication, the schools found it to be a good communications tool and evolved it as such, and for the past 30 years the internet has developed into a neutral playing grounds for people to express ideas and thoughts without any interference from anyone, and that is how it should stay. TO preform acts of packet filtering and monitoring Tiers of service is not in the true design of the net. This isnt Television, would you like if Librarys started to filter information and offering tiers of service if you happen to pay more you get more books. Doesnt sound right and I dont agree....

Cleirach

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:26 pm

cleirach wrote:

...This isnt Television, would you like if Librarys started to filter information and offering tiers of service if you happen to pay more you get more books. Doesnt sound right...

Exactly. In a Web 2.0 world where the internet community is so largely responsible for internet content, regulation by ISP's fundamentally undermines the ability of the internet to function as an open-information community.

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[quote="stevens666"]ISPs would become data collection agencies ...

raidensnake wrote:

They already have in the form of black boxes...

Yeah, net neutrality has become even more closely related to privacy and information security. Bruce Schneier, over at at BT Counterpane, has written extensively about the expansion of information security, particularly within ISPs and other information-gathering groups. This sort of information mining is a very real threat, even beyond the normal dangers posed by an ISP regulated internet.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:25 pm

Ok here's the thing. I just recently learned about this whole situation. I won't sit here and pretend like I know exactly what I'm talking about. But all I do know is that restricting the internet is going to be the first step in the enslavement of mankind. No one especially a company that I'm paying for my internet access should be allowed to limit what I do when I'm paying them for my access. The internet is the only place that one can completely speak there mind and do almost anything. As much as what I'm saying sounds like everything else in this forum, but just in a simpler matter. I still feel obligated to express how annoying this shit is. I glad that this issue was brought to my attention, and I will do what I can to help the cause.

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:09 am

I'm 100% for net neutrality. Let us speak our minds damn it!!

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:11 am

Hell yea dude, the Internet is the only place where a person actually has freedom and now they want to take that away from us to. NET NEUTRALITY 100%

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:28 am

feel like this issue is not getting enough public attention. As it stands the internet is neutral territory for anyone. It allows anyone to get a good idea out to the world, without this it would be extremely difficult for the little man to make an impact online. I do my best to inform the people I know of net neutrality because I feel it is missunderstood by the general public. Net neutrality=good for individuals, does not allow big biz to control information.

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:31 am

well you could send this link to all your desperate buddies

http://dontstayvirgin.movielol.org/main2.php

lol... nah but really just tell everyone you can, the more aware people are the less likely they are to start sneaking the changes in...
which is really what they want to get everything passed and done then let people complain all they want, because the war will already be over...

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:01 am

janjan12 wrote:

raceman94 wrote:

It's sad isn't it? I'm 100% for net neutrality!

same here xD

If you are intent on spamming the board for post count - don't Idea

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:21 pm

obama cant win

Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 4:39 pm

farmerboy wrote:

obama cant win

omfg wth n00b lol

off-topic and random and wrong (without elaboration)

Thanks C_F for that link Smile

great propaganda lmfao

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:11 am

In my humble opinion net neutrality is a problematic issue, to quote someone whos name i cant remember "I may not agree with what you say but I would defend to the death your right to say it"

Now to what extent do we go???. Would it not be a good thing if ISPs were able to destroy the paedophile rings who distribute filth to their members and similar to those who abuse animals? Porn is another issue, if people want to broadecast the results of consenting adults then I dont have a problem with that.

Simarlarly, RE Freedom of speech, what about the ability of terrorist groups to coordinate attcks via the web. Would it not be a good thing if they could shut things down????

I believe the issue of bittorrent regulation is not a problem indeed it may be a good thing, the real issue here that everyone seems to have missed is the fact that we live in a capitalist society that encourages the exploitaition of the many by the few!!! Rolling Eyes

I have communist tendencies but am no supporter of the regimes such as China who claim to be communist yet miss the point that it should be a BENIGN system of goverment which should DEFEND the many against their potentila for exploitation by a powerful few. BUT the main precept is that property ownership is illegal, everything is owned by everyone under such a system a heavily regulated internet could solve the problems I started my argument with without impeding the natural urge of those with legitimate interests from exchanging information, copywrite would not be an issue as it would NOT EXIST!!!!

There u go, to my eyes the big problem is CAPITALISM It is wrong and leads us into a society in which we enslave ourselves. Full deregulation is NOT the answer, the free market system has only increased the potential for big companies and others to exploit and control us.

Heavy regulation within a benign system of communism would be more effective at cutting the filth and increasing the civil liberties OF THOSE WHO DESERVE THEM!!!!!! Not everyone deserves civil liberties, remember that

Hope this makes some people think.

Mr Y
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Im not paranoid, I know everyones out to get me! Head Bang

Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:18 am

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here u go, to my eyes the big problem is CAPITALISM

Capitalism is the problem? While capitalism may or may not have contributed to this kind of behaviour from ISP's it is currently the best form of economy. You might have said that the current communist regimes aren't 'real'communist, but somehow every communist regime has been kind of the same.

Back to the issue at hand, net neutrality. What ISP's are realising is that there is a whole new market, and thus a whole new place to make money from, the content providers themselves. Not by advertisements, but by getting them more traffic by the so called 'premium' lanes. Meaning that everyone who doesn't pay, gets slower acces. You might think that this is in their right. It is not. As customers of these ISP's we already pay to acces the internet through them. This means that these people are making double the money one the same thing. It also means that sooner or later the ISP's are going to cut certain content providers completely out of the loop. Meaning that some sites may not be accesible at all.

While this is ofcourse completely unacceptable what can we actually do about this? Simple, Stop using ISP's that do this. Since we in the west indeed live by a capitalist model of buy and demand, as soon as these companies such as Virgin in the UK, AT&T in the US, realise that they're losing customers, enough customers, because of this kind of behaviour, they'll stop. Or they'll go broke.

Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:43 am

Net_dude wrote:

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here u go, to my eyes the big problem is CAPITALISM

Back to the issue at hand, net neutrality. What ISP's are realising is that there is a whole new market, and thus a whole new place to make money from, the content providers themselves. Not by advertisements, but by getting them more traffic by the so called

While this is ofcourse completely unacceptable what can we actually do about this? Simple, Stop using ISP's that do this. Since we in the west indeed live by a capitalist model of buy and demand, as soon as these companies such as Virgin in the UK, AT&T in the US, realise that they're losing customers, enough customers, because of this kind of behaviour, they'll stop. Or they'll go broke.

The first point you raise is a prime example of why capialism IS the problem, Rolling Eyes

I think I'll have to start a thread on this one.

The second point is problematic, as stated elsewhere, ISPs and TELECOMS in general are ECONOMIES OF SCALE, that is they are natural monopolies due to infrastructure demands dominated by a few providers who between them can control prices regulations etc. Usually one company owns the infrastructure, like the cables themselves the satellite networks etc and the others hire their bandwith from them meaning there is no true competition within the market. All the goverments have to do is get to the main network providers and then if the ISPS dont fall into line they will lose their licences.

And because in our system all we have as consumers is VOICE generally ignored and EXIT which loses us our net access full stop so we are pretty much powerless under our current economic system which gives these companies to exploit us in exactly the way you state. Maybe communism is not the answer and Im not sure what is, Like I say I have communist tendencies, Im not communist. I feel a new thread starting..... Shocked

Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:05 pm

[size=12]To assume the ability to censor human curiosity, and to prevent human desires, especially in a medium as simple as the internet, is to force the ocean to remain smooth.

Regardless of right and wrong, and we all have our reasons and justifications, it is a sheer impossibility to censor the internet. With the assistance of a million machine guns, and two million soldiers, does the Chinese government really assume it can stop the people from accessing whatever they want? I'm sure only a select archaic few do. The internet is the ultimate in anonymity, even Metailca has pulled a Radiohead, and is releaeing their new album for free download.

The internet is the future, and we will all reap the benefits. We have a resource, an infinite source of knowledge and media, the world through a screen.[/size]

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:45 am

If you take torrents away from me Im gonna start stealing hubcaps. Think about that one riaa the next time your cruising down sunset blvd in your fancy escalade picking up trannys. Evil or Very Mad