isoHunt tells court why Hollywood is wrong

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 3:48 pm

keep up the fight and thanks for keep us in the light of this bad information era of darkness. Cool

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:51 pm

Just wanted to say, keep the good work up at isohunt, it most appriciated.

As for the stupid MPAA, when will they ever learn??? Head Bang

Read a story the other day about the Music industry in the UK wanting people to pay extra for MP3 players and Ipods as they wanted to tax people for and I quote, "Changing the one state of music to another."

What if I get them of a music download site? Rolling Eyes

Quick shout out for the Ironman movie. Its worth seeing. I think it has to be the best marvel film so far... Bow

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:54 pm

OG wrote:

jojoplin2003 wrote:

It's a fine hair to split...Whether or not isohunt indexes and tracks illegal content...this is the internet.

Not really. Isohunt indexes .torrent files, they are not protected by copyright nor do they contain anything that infringes copyright. The trackers mearly provide peer locations, again nothing to do with infringing anyones copyright. The allegation is that isohunt facilitates others in infringing copyright, which is the same as blaming speeding on Ford.

That has got to be the coolest and most accurate analogy EVER. nice one mate Smile

I also just wanted to note....nice one IH. You guys f**kin rock. Keep up the fight.

Its thanks to IH that I've had my weekly dose of BSG fresh from the U.S, my life would not be complete without it.

Anyways, heres what I have to say, I apologise in advance for any unintended noobiness and/or repetition of said points / getting things wrong: (oh, and sorry about the language but thats just how i feel about it)

MPAA should just SHUT THE f**k UP and suck it down. They obviously dont have a f**kin CLUE about who their trying to sue, or for what. Also, the only time they would ever have a case for suing someone/thing/company over copyright infringement at all would be if there was actually anything ORIGIONAL being created ATALL in hollywood, ANY TIME after the 1970's, rather than just recycled tired old shit. I will concede there are a few good ones every now and then, but I'm sure alot of you will agree on the sheer amount in comparison of garbage being produced is enough to outwiegh any benefit made by the good movies.
I mean has anyone seen the trailer for "Shrooms"? Obviously hollywood has decided that "shrooms are baaaaad" and have made a horror movie about them.

Thats the kind of thing I watch as a comedy, in order to laugh at the insane amount of money that someone has fettered away to make the knife look shinier and for the extra 300 litres of fake blood. And also at anyone who would watch it seriously and pay for it (but there cant be any of those, can there????)

ok my rant is done. again i apologise for the language / narrow points of view etc. feel free to flame as necessery Smile

Thanks again IH thankyou thankyou thankyou

Alan

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:29 pm

OG wrote:

jojoplin2003 wrote:

It's a fine hair to split...Whether or not isohunt indexes and tracks illegal content...this is the internet.

Not really. Isohunt indexes .torrent files, they are not protected by copyright nor do they contain anything that infringes copyright. The trackers mearly provide peer locations, again nothing to do with infringing anyones copyright. The allegation is that isohunt facilitates others in infringing copyright, which is the same as blaming speeding on Ford.

Thanks OG for clarifying this for me..and the "Ford" analogy was excellent. On that note, should popular search engines such as "Google" should be facing the same problems by allowing it's users to find the sites that help us to find the torrents...etc..etc. ?? Again,,thanks to you guys for a job well done (IH and the whole team). To win this battle would be setting a great precedent for this site and the other indexing sites and trackers (both private and public) all over the world who are fighting for p2p. Cheers. Jo

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:39 pm

While you make a great legal argument and I wish you all the best in your battle with the MPAA, I would just like to point out that I've always viewed what we do as illegal. It's always seemed strange to me that people believe so strongly that there's nothing wrong with isoHunt or torrents in general.

I come to this website to download movies, watch them, and not pay for them. So do thousands of other people. I make no bones about it. I believe it is illegal, and I don't care and I do it anyway. I also shoplift, and I don't care and do it anyway. But I know that I am doing something wrong. In your heart you must also know that you are wrong. This website facilitates the search for material that costs money and assists us in downloading it without paying for it. I'm all about it, it's great, but we're still wrong. And I'm willing to bet that eventually, in time, the MPAA is going to win. And when they do, I won't be crying about it and neither should anyone else. Cuz it was great while it lasted, but it's still wrong. I hope people can come to terms with that.

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:48 pm

sbfpat wrote:

...I would just like to point out that I've always viewed what we do as illegal. It's always seemed strange to me that people believe so strongly that there's nothing wrong with isoHunt or torrents in general.

P2P has many more uses than just the transfer of copyrighted materials. Thats what the entire court case is about. You should read the declaration of facts, it sites many other specific uses of bit torrent other than getting free movies. When you download a .torrent file, it doesn't contain any copyrighted materials, so how is isoHunt in the wrong. You might come here simply to obtain movies, but lots of other people come here for different, legal purposes.

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:05 pm

OG wrote:

The allegation is that isohunt facilitates others in infringing copyright, which is the same as blaming speeding on Ford.

Or blaming murder on Smith & Wesson? That's not a great analogy. Ford provides a device that allows you to break the speed limit, but doesn't give you a list of the top ten best places to speed. And if you do choose to speed, you have the cops to worry about. Virtually any item that you use can be used to break some law. But there's a deterrent: the police, and jail. With isoHunt, there isn't a policing entity. If there was, they could remove all the aXXo torrents, for a start. I download those, and I'm pretty sure those are copyright protected, right? I'm guessing none of you would be all that jazzed if isoHunt was allowed to remain functioning for legal purposes, and you could no longer download copyright protected material on here. But keep fighting the "good fight" to make sure I can keep watching movies and not paying for them. Thanks! Smile

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:09 pm

cdayzd wrote:

P2P has many more uses than just the transfer of copyrighted materials.

I'm gonna go ahead and direct you to the right side of this page where you can see a list of the top 20 searches on this site. It's all material that is illegal to download. You know you're full of shit right? If you just want to use this site for sharing legal material, then why not just suggest to the MPAA that they be allowed to come on here every day and remove any indexed torrent that links illegal material? Then we're not facilitating any illegal activity. I'm sorry but I love downloading movies illegally. I'm just a grown ass man and I can admit when I'm doing something wrong and be straightforward about it.

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:16 pm

Still reading......this could take all night Wink

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Just like a traditional search on Google, isoHunt provides to the visitor a
means to obtain content rather than the content itself.

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Is this not a legal defence in itself? aka...Don't kill the messenger>[/quote]

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In Sony, the Court rejected “the proposition that supplying the ‘means’ to
accomplish an infringing activity

Hey..my dvd burner is Sony..are they not encouraging me to accomplish an infringing activity??

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:24 pm

sbfpat wrote:

I'm just a grown ass man and I can admit when I'm doing something wrong and be straightforward about it.

That's just it, YOU are responsible for how you use torrent technology and YOU are the one that needs to take responsibility for it. Sounds to me like your blaming isohunt for YOUR actions. Have you ever heard of open source materials? Do you know there are plenty of movies and series out there that are no longer under copyright? Are you informed at all?
This is about a lot more than people getting away with something, this is about the future of how the internet is structured and regulated, this includes downloading any form of data including information, if we let this go now it looks very bad for the future of free information and open source exchanges on the internet period.

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:28 pm

sbfpat wrote:

cdayzd wrote:

P2P has many more uses than just the transfer of copyrighted materials.

I'm gonna go ahead and direct you to the right side of this page where you can see a list of the top 20 searches on this site. It's all material that is illegal to download. You know you're full of shit right? If you just want to use this site for sharing legal material, then why not just suggest to the MPAA that they be allowed to come on here every day and remove any indexed torrent that links illegal material? Then we're not facilitating any illegal activity. I'm sorry but I love downloading movies illegally. I'm just a grown ass man and I can admit when I'm doing something wrong and be straightforward about it.

lol...I can't help but laugh, haha, and I'm full of shit....I have neither admitted or denied what "I" download from here. I don't believe thats come up yet in the conversation. And actually, I haven't ever downloaded anything from here other than a .torrent file, and torrent files aren't illegal. I don't want to see isoHunt shut down, or the removal of any of it's content or indexing. I have enjoyed countless movies just like yourself, and have no wish for that to change. However, isoHunt's legal defense is a valid one. I said "alot of users" not the majority, or even most of them. This case is landmark in the US and will determine our rights as internet users forever. Have you read the declaration of facts? Apparently not. If you wish to start a debate about it then maybe you should consider starting one in the appropriate section of the forum, and reading the material provided by IH before you do so.

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:29 pm

sbfpat wrote:

Or blaming murder on Smith & Wesson? That's not a great analogy. Ford provides a device that allows you to break the speed limit, but doesn't give you a list of the top ten best places to speed.

Only becuase Ford doesnt collect that information. The top search results, as IH pointed out, if you even bothered to read the legal statements, are generated automaticaly. If everyone came here looking for Linux distros, the top serch results would reflect that fact. The top ten is reflecting what you the user does, Isohunt has no control over that.

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With isoHunt, there isn't a policing entity.

Yes there is. Its called the DMCA and SecretSquirrel.

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If there was, they could remove all the aXXo torrents, for a start. I download those, and I'm pretty sure those are copyright protected right?

By your post count we can all tell how much time it is likely you have spent on the forums, if was any length of time worth mentioning you would be well aware of the level of fakes associated with aXXo torrents. Taking that into account, you can assume that a gret number of so called aXXo files do not contain anything that infringes copyright. Also, if someone were just to upload an aXXo release and ommit the fact that it was an aXXo release, then what? Its clear you have put little to no thought into the logistics.

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:36 pm

hahaha sbfpat!!! OG has spoken and it has just been Owned!

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:45 pm

sbfpat wrote:

I'm gonna go ahead and direct you to the right side of this page where you can see a list of the top 20 searches on this site.

Ok smartass, just to show you another top 20. Here is the top 20 seeded torrents in the applications section;

What do you know, the most popular torrent on isohunt, is completely legal.

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:48 pm

nice thought OG but I doubt the idiot will even know what those are...