isoHunt sues CRIA on legality of search engines

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:11 am

The war has just begun if only we could all mobilize and unite as one.
Things would be so much easier with a union for online computing.
oh and I hope dimebag is shaking his head right now. you rock bro![/quote]

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:10 am

Great job! I read through the documents, and they make perfect sense!

I can't believe the lies that CRIA has in their emails. How is it 'obvious' that 'most' of IH is used to infringe CRIA copyright. WTF, they are totally lying. There are 1.2 million torrents, CRIA could have copyright for at most, AT MOST, 10k of those. HOW THE FARK IS THAT MOST?

Damn this shyt gets me so angry...

Anyhoo, good job of this, because if you win, it will mean a good precedence for the rest of the torrent sites to seek the same, and hopefully we will avoid more pain!

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:50 am

Before reading this, please note I am a supporter of downloading protected files from the internet, but believe if you download, you should either have previously paid for or intend to buy the product you are downloading if you like it.

The way torrentfreak describes the suit, you are trying to legallise ALL torrent websites, but theres just one thing, torrent sites in themselves are legal, as several companies such as linux, and perfect world international use torrents to distribute their stuff.

With this with torrent sites being legal to run, it is only illegal to link to any copyrighted material, which is where isohunt comes in because it hosts more links to copyrighted material than any other site on the internet to date.

The only thing about this is that in order for us to download, and buy if we enjoy, is to either get the CRIA, MPAA, Web Sheriff, Prince, Michael Jackson etc etc to either realise that their sales actually depend on filesharers to sell products. Without us, there selling products would be sufficiently lower., or to somehow have them shut down. But we know this isn't going to happen. These companies/individuals are a lot richer than the isohunt team, so can afford better lawyers and anything they need.

Isohunt may be able to make a point, but as it is dedicated to sharing link s to copyrighted content, they cant win against large companies/individuals like that - wall, maybe michael jackson as he'll be representing himself Razz

Just to back this up, limewire don't actually host all the files on there, but they still got a multi-billion pound fine for actually allowing users to share copyrighted content (a few years ago now) - guess they wanted to make an example, and who knows, they may do this again!

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:14 am

This is a form of legal intimidation similar to this article on Wikipedia:

Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation
(I'm a new user and can't post the direct link.)

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A Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation ("SLAPP") is a lawsuit or a threat of lawsuit that is intended to intimidate and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition. Winning the lawsuit is not necessarily the intent of the person filing the SLAPP. The plaintiff's goals are accomplished if the defendant succumbs to fear, intimidation, mounting legal costs or simple exhaustion and abandons the criticism. A SLAPP may also intimidate others from participating in the debate.

According to New York Supreme Court Judge J. Nicholas Colabella, "Short of a gun to the head, a greater threat to First Amendment expression can scarcely be imagined." A number of jurisdictions have made such suits illegal, provided that the appropriate standards of journalistic responsibility have been met by the critic.

The acronym was coined in the 1980s by University of Denver professors Penelope Canan and George W. Pring. The term was originally defined as "a lawsuit involving communications made to influence a governmental action or outcome, which resulted in a civil complaint or counterclaim filed against nongovernment individuals or organizations on a substantive issue of some public interest or social significance."[1] It has since been defined more broadly to include suits about speech on any public issue.[2]

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:22 am

ok well I was thinking in defense of Google, "google cache was used to find sites hosting child porn" that Google has employees actively hunting down this stuff and reporting it, and Google has Google Earth and Google Mail and Google Maps Street view, I'm sure you guys could make an ISO Earth. But you see pirating has gained a reputation, among things like bit torrents that are used in pirating. I agree with what graham1989 said about buying downloaded stuff.

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:45 am

graham1989: Many people do purchase products if they like them. I for one purchase all the games I like, whether I got the demo or got it form other means.

I also purchase some of the music I like. However a lot of it is not sold here in the Northern USA. In that case I could download all the .mp3's, but that would nearly quadruple the cost of the album. You can probably tell my problem here.

Furthermore, I also purchase all of my software. I have yet to pirate a copy of windows, and I have yet to not purchase I product I really like and use.

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:03 pm

Congratulations, Gary, for all your work and for your guts, which must be in your big brass balls. Very Happy

As a fellow Canadian, and British Columbian, thanks again for citing Michael Geist's site and ongoing battle to educate Canadians about what a perverse excuse for copyright Bill C-61 is.

I urge all Canadians to read what Michale Geist writes on his site, and what Cory Doctorow writes about copyright on his little site, BoingBoing.

Oh yeah, for those of you in Canada wondering what you can do to help, October's coming up soon, so vote like your files depend on it!

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:48 pm

dreadpiraterobert wrote:

and what Cory Doctorow writes about copyright on his little site, BoingBoing.

Oh yeah, for those of you in Canada wondering what you can do to help, October's coming up soon, so vote like your files depend on it!

Cory has written 2 great books, Little Brothers and Empire. You should read them both!

Also, hahahah@like your files depend on it. Funny, but sadly probably true Sad

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:20 pm

HBS wrote:

This is excellent news in my opinion, the cause is very just. As a DJ and producer of audio i find bit-torrent the perfect vehicle of distribution. I find the money hungry actions of these corporations looking for control over all artistic creations abhorrent to the very fundamentals of art. I do believe artists should be compensated for their efforts but these organisations such as the CRIA are anything but progressive in nature, relying on ignorance of the technology to further line their already deep pockets.

I shall certainly be making donations to isohunt's legal funds!

I also am a musician and novice software developer, and fully support P2P networking. As he said, it is an expansive avenue of marketing for those of us who are NOT greedy. Share and share alike.

It's like i've said here ( LinuxIntro. com/?action=ShowArticle&name=PreInstall02 ), If the software or movie or music is worth buying, then people will buy it; but why the hell should we BUY something BEFORE we are sure if it will be useful to us, or be something we like? That is dirty dealing, imo.

Money is tight for me, because i'm out of work, but if i can spare anything, then you can have it. After all, this is just the tip of the iceberg for everything that we believe in, because the more the fatcats win, the more they will try to take from us. Everyone must fight together if anyone has a chance.

Also, if you paid member want to help out any more, then you should enable the banner ads, as this would generate more revenue for the site, thus allowing them to further their cause.

Good luck with things!

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:27 am

AwAyKE wrote:

This is my first ever post in the IsoHunt forums.

I just want to show my support and say I hope you kick CRIA's ass. The bittorrent community needs to stand up against these greedy corporations before they end it forever (if that's possible).
Good luck IsoHunt!

i was looking at the posts before posting something and i found this ,and thats exactly what i was going to post ,lol.

im going to donate just for this and i wish the best of luck to IsoHunt ,because you guys are dealing with some big boys here!

I have alot more to say ,but i just cant say it with my poor english damm Sad

!

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:30 am

rosehipzero wrote:

for those of us who cant donate money, is there anything else we can do?

I am also interested as to what those who, not necessarily won't, but cant donate can do to help Question

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:40 am

CRIA go to hell :D

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:21 am

DAMN YOU COMMY BASTARDS!!! I'm joking. I think part of the reason why records companies are so anti pirating right now is because people aren't doing as some of yall said and buying the music after you download, hurting the record industry itself. Yes, you have to admit they are rich, but I read about this in Time Magazine when one of the employees wrote about how he pirated and that companies need to sell shirts and stuff, I rest my case!

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:33 pm

i could come to this site and download .torrent files all day and never use them, and does that mean i'm breaking the law? NO.

i could come to this site and download .torrent files all day and use my external program that finds it's own users and has NOTHING to do with isohunt, and download things all day. does that mean that Isohunt is breaking the law? NO.

SO THERE.

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:20 am

mrlolrus wrote:

this is cool

This kind of post however is not....