When Will The World (properly) Wake Up?

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:24 am

Now we all know (at least i think we do) that global warming/climate change is an imminent threat. I'm just wondering when you think world leaders will take really drastic measures to prevent any more bad stuff from happening. (or for that matter, when will normal people take drastic measures)
I know they are already doing stuff to help but don't you think; compared to the scale of the threat; it's a little too little?

Please elaborate and prove me wrong if you need to. I think i'm not well educated in this area so tell me more, gimmie the facts. Whatever.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:25 am

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Now we all know (at least i think we do) that global warming/climate change is an imminent threat

"When Will The World (properly) Wake Up?"

Your saying that on the fact that global warming is an happening thing and man is responsible for it, while I agree it may (emphisis on may) be hotter, I don't think man has anything what so ever to do with it

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:05 am

Billions will die in years to come due to the worlds oil problems... things will get very very bad...

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:28 am

Climate catastrophes are a natural process on Earth.
Try to stop it is stupidity.
Betcha enjoy it while we are still alive.
What if we preserve everything, then a meteor crashes out all the stuff?
The universe is not a safe place, dudes.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:40 am

Well i see the doomsayers work is done, eh? All the dudes runnin' round lookin' for a place to hide.

Change. The only thing that is assured. Things change. Not that they are good or bad changes it's just change. Life has always had to adapt to change. Without change life wouldnt exist. Without it there would be no different species of livin' things.

Change isnt somethin' to fear, it's somethin' to embrace.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:42 am

Answer:

No. They will not. Money will always drive man to selfish and violent acts. As did food supply with early man. Leading industrialized nations will begin over time to show (on the surface) that they are "working to resolve Global Warming". It will however always take a back seat to the all mighty dollar.

Rant:

True. The universe is indeed a violent place and at any moment we could all be eradicated. I do believe however that mans constant polluting of the planet has and will continue to negatively affect the quality of life for many. From the chemicals in our food and water supply to the smoggy air that we breathe, these things cause many instances of disease and chronic illness some of which have not even been formally documented yet.

Make no mistake, our planet can't be destroyed by our parasitic asses. We can however make what time we as a species have on this planet a bit more pleasant.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:51 am

Agree about the money bit but where did ye get the idea that early man bashed each others heads open over a mammoth carcass? There were so few early men that there was never a problem with food supply. In fact what made early man so successful was there co-operation. Did ye know that as cro-magnon man migrated out across Europe from the middle east they probably hardly even bumped into the indigenous humans (Neanderthals) already livin' there? There were so few of each an' so much room to live. Fightin' over food would have been unnecessary and' uneconomical.

wrkntheangl wrote:

Make no mistake, our planet can't be destroyed by our parasitic asses. We can however make what time we as a species have on this planet a bit more pleasant.

Ok. How?

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:36 am

[quote="SoDaSeeD"]Agree about the money bit but where did ye get the idea that early man bashed each others heads open over a mammoth carcas? There were so few early men that there was never a problem with food supply. In fact what made early man so successful was there co-operation.

Early man experienced environmental catastrophes as we do. When these things occurred it had drastic effects on localized herds as well as edible plant life. These caused famine which led to fighting for short supplies. This occurred particularly between groups traveling in search of food. Do you actually believe that early man was somehow more compassionate for strangers from a strange land and we have just recently developed the ability to kill whatever gets in our way of what we see as survival?

[quote="wrkntheangl"] Make no mistake, our planet can't be destroyed by our parasitic asses. [b[We can however make what time we as a species have on this planet a bit more pleasant.[/b]

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Ok. How?

How...

A child developes a brain tumor because she drank water from the well in her backyard that was contaminated with hexavalent chromium.

Would it not be a more pleaseant place to live for that child if she didn't have a brain tumor. Of course. So lets start with not doing that.

Change is good. Yes, but not when the change is caused by mans greed and others have to pay the price.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:19 am

How about not havin' your computer or eatin' out or havin' a mobile phone or drivin' your car or watchin' your tv or goin' to the cinema or runnin' your tumble drier or goin' to the toilet or celebratin' Christmas or............

Again i ask, how?

An' you fail to grasp the concept of how few of us there was back in the past. There are more people alive today than have ever existed. There were so few of us that even in the severest drought there would still be enough for our ancestors to eat. An' the part about nomadic tribes bein' the worst in this case doesnt make any sense whatsoever as ALL primitive peoples were to a degree hunter gatherers who, if local conditions became detrimental, could simply up sticks an' move on. Not only is that a more sensible strategy it is also, as i said, the most economic.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:43 am

There is a pro and con for every things existence. The world changes. It has been around a lot longer than we have. It will be here long after.
accept your own fate and let your neighbor do the same. Our biggest issue as a species is ignorance.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:23 pm

SoDaSeeD wrote:

Change isnt somethin' to fear, it's somethin' to embrace.

"Without the threat of death there's no reason to live at all"...

I agree. Change happens, those who refuse to adapt will be erased ftl.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:09 pm

I guess we can debate the what-if's of primitive man all day but you have failed to offer a reasonable argument for the intentional pollution by industry and simply put it off as a byproduct of "advancement". I however believe that in most cases we can, if nothing else, do much better in the way of bringing about advancement that impacts our planet and inevitably us in a less negative manner. To accept anything else, imo is a defeatist, bystander attitude.

Several of the how's have already been implemented in smaller scales. Solar and wind power to name the 2 most prevalent renewable energy sources. Removing petroleum based and toxic products from household use. Using paper goods made from recycled materials. Not washing your clothes in chlorine bleach. Supporting companies that use environmentally friendly manufacturing techniques. These are simple steps that most us computer using, tumble dryer owning individuals have the ability facilitate.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that today there are somethings that we have no alternative for yet. I does not however mean that we stop trying to find alternatives for those items as well simply because it will be more difficult to achieve. These more difficult solutions will be the things that define our present and near future generations.

BTW- If that threat of death was aimed at your child would it still feel so inspirational, or would you fight it back with everything you had at your disposal? I suppose as they are lying on there death bed you would tell them that the chemicals they unknowingly ingested with their drinking water from the multi-billion dollar corporation up the river are A-OK because they are part of the inevitable change that occurs as part of life and without that threat of death life wasn't worth living anyway.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:36 pm

We will never wake up, as if you haven't figured that one out by now ?

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:17 am

Sadly we won't we are living to deep into a dream that socity wants to stay in. Put your hands over your ears so you don't hear the truth that our planet is starting to bite us in the butt. So in the end I think we are really going to screw ourself pretty good.

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:23 pm

wrkntheangl wrote:

I guess we can debate the what-if's of primitive man all day but you have failed to offer a reasonable argument for the intentional pollution by industry and simply put it off as a byproduct of "advancement". I however believe that in most cases we can, if nothing else, do much better in the way of bringing about advancement that impacts our planet and inevitably us in a less negative manner. To accept anything else, imo is a defeatist, bystander attitude.

Why the f**k would any sensible dude argue FOR intentional pollution? Nor did i say anythin' about the price of advancement. I'm not denyin' that there may well be better ways of doin' things but, an' let's be absolutely clear on this, if you like havin' all your mod cons an' your laptop an' everything that goes into makin' them an' transportin' them an' even have the money to pay for them then you have no choice as you have already bought into this an' are as much of a cause as those nasty pollutin' companies. Again i asked you how? I recycle everythin' that can be recycled, i try to use non-bleach cleanin' products, i am very energy efficient around the home an' i very careful in what i buy an' feed my family but i can only do so much on my salary. Short of livin' in a cave an' tillin' the land what else can i, or anybody, do? I get a bit sick of the eco-crusaders full of rhetoric will sittin' in their air conditioned homes with there auto-mobile out front, TV on in the background on their mobiles phones surrounded with plastics an' chemicals. Hypocritical springs to mind.

wrkntheangl wrote:

Several of the how's have already been implemented in smaller scales. Solar and wind power to name the 2 most prevalent renewable energy sources. Removing petroleum based and toxic products from household use. Using paper goods made from recycled materials. Not washing your clothes in chlorine bleach. Supporting companies that use environmentally friendly manufacturing techniques. These are simple steps that most us computer using, tumble dryer owning individuals have the ability facilitate.

Yes, it's all very admirable but it is all in such a small scale to be almost worthless at the present time. If we were to truly abandon petrol, coal, gas as a means of power it would set us back centuries. Are you willin' to do that?

wrkntheangl wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I understand that today there are somethings that we have no alternative for yet. I does not however mean that we stop trying to find alternatives for those items as well simply because it will be more difficult to achieve. These more difficult solutions will be the things that define our present and near future generations.

So we agree on that point then? I'm somehow envisiging record players with small animals inside a la Flintstones stylee!!

wrkntheangl wrote:

BTW- If that threat of death was aimed at your child would it still feel so inspirational, or would you fight it back with everything you had at your disposal? I suppose as they are lying on there death bed you would tell them that the chemicals they unknowingly ingested with their drinking water from the multi-billion dollar corporation up the river are A-OK because they are part of the inevitable change that occurs as part of life and without that threat of death life wasn't worth living anyway.

This must be a local issue to yourself as you probably live in the middle of continental USA but the water where i am is as pure as it gets. They do add fluride to the water here as part of a programme of dental health (or at least there was talk of it) an' a little chlorine for sanitation but no child is dyin' here from drinkin' water.