isoHunt sues CRIA on legality of search engines

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:32 pm

i like it, but can we see a picture of you to know who is representing?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:50 pm

Don't wanna cut in here but I think this video will give you an idea of who runs the greatest site on the net.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXaALmVabpk

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:58 pm

getting back to the main issue of this thread....

even if it is proven IsoHunt is supplying MP3's, surely the MP3's in question are not copyrighted?

i just checked on one of my cd's i have, and i don't see any MP3s on there. its a completely separate format, and totally different from the file saved on the disk.

also... how are you to know a particular file is copyrighted, even after you listen to it? i mean, if i post an MP3 of myself singing a song i made up, how can ANYONE downloading that file know if its copyrighted??????

if the industry is so concerned, they should add some sort of watermark to the track/file so it can be identified, and introduce a checker to media players for the said watermark.

it could be as simple as adding a tone too high for humans to hear, but something detectable digitally.

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:01 pm

dude mrdarn i didnt understand that at all and Gary i got 2 words for you, Viva Mexico!! its also a good song, you probably can find a copy on here Smile

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:44 pm

you cant hold a search engine accountable for its content, anymore than a phone book accountable for the people listed in it. If a murderer's phone number was listed should the phone company be prosecuted?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:08 pm

well maybe is the phone book was 80% money launderers and said Illegal Money Laundering!! i think mine is better example

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:02 am

If I go to the Library I can borrow a book or a music CD or a DVD. Whatever I borrow has been purchased only once and yet is used by hundreds even thousands of others, is this a breach of IP rights?

Guaranteed, the books I borrow I usually won't purchase (if I want it again I know where it is), this has cost the author and publisher a sale. Yet when I download a book, comic or video I am more likely to go out and purchase the ones I have particularly liked.

For me, movies are made for the big screen and are best experienced in a movie theatre, but who can afford the exorbitant admission to all the movies one would like to see. And NO ONE offers a refund for the Over-Hyped Crappy movies that fail to entertain for the price. If anything, I now spend way much more on purchasing CDs and DVDs, because of the exposure and ease of access that BitTorrents allows, than I ever did before.

When I was at Uni, (in Australia) I found out if I was wanting a book or video or audio track all I had to do is try to purchase the item from two separate stores and, if it was out of print or no longer available from either, I would be legally entitled to photocopy or record the item. Even to the extent of whole books or albums. I could go to a library and photocopy whole reference volumes, when questioned (as happened more often than not) I would merely show them the name and address of the two stores that told me the item was no longer available. The copy was mine to keep, but not mine to edit or misquote or claim to be my own work.

ISOHUNT is less liable than any Library because it contains neither the items copied nor the means in which to copy them.

Thanks to BitTorrents I have been able to fill gaps in my dusty Comic collection, relive the experience of music, from halcyon days of youth, that I thought I wouldn't here again. I have read great stories, long forgotten, by authors, long dead, that I would not have otherwise read. How does this encroach upon the copyright owners income?

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:43 am

justicereal wrote:

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bye tard

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:53 am

i just donated - f**k CRIA and all those corporate freaks ...

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:09 pm

The war between corporations and consumers will not end unless the corporations stop producing. At that time the world will explode into billions of tiny dildo shaped rock chunks.

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:35 pm

ISO hunt protects me from paying 30.00 for a Blue-ray disk that sucks. If I like the movie I go buy it on blue ray otherwise I would probaly not buy it at all. It is an easy way for the consumer to pre screen the product. The solution to their problem, in my opinion, would be quit makeing sucky movies or music and quit chargeing so much for silicon I never understood why they cost more that a tape the CD is way cheaper to make. You can't cut trailers that makes your movies seem better than they realy are any more so get over it and focus on quality instead. In other words trying to make your consumers swallow shit with your bull shit hype. Then you would probaly love this site. However it would be cool to ban the cam versions that come out because that is just wrong in so many ways.

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:09 am

I understand that there are laws protecting intellectual property and that bittorrents allow a good number of people to bypass these laws. But there are a number of ways that I use them that I think are warranted. For example, I just downloaded a movie trailer that I could not obtain in good quality outside of bittorrents. I needed that trailer to show in church today. My pastor is relieved because I did what he could not, using bittorrents. Certain television shows that I want to watch on Fox (without having to wait for the DVD) are free to billions of people, but I have no way of getting them outside of bittorrents. If there's an obscure song I want, sometimes the only place I can identify it is in a bittorrent search. After sampling it on a torrent, I can buy the CD if I want the song, and chuck it if I don't. That's liberating, and you won't hear me apologizing to billion dollar corporations for taking care of myself without any expense to them. It's as simple as this: bittorrent technology may be new and powerful and scary to traditional business models, but NO COMPANY OR ORGANIZATION HAS A RIGHT TO SUPPRESS progress. Obviously bittorents are something that a lot of people want and many people need, or we wouldn't be having this conflict. What you DO have a right to do is MAKE ADJUSTMENTS to your intellectual property and business model that incorporate the new technology so that law-abiding citizens can benefit both from your material and from the new technology, and not have to suffer the insult of your fears that someone somewhere isn't paying full price for something they don't necessarily even want.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:52 pm

You must make more T-shirt designs so that I can buy them all!

I would donate using PayPal but I need that money for clothes.

More T-shirts! Wink

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:39 pm

isoar4jc wrote:

you cant hold a search engine accountable for its content, anymore than a phone book accountable for the people listed in it. If a murderer's phone number was listed should the phone company be prosecuted?

This is probably the most valid point so far (which I've read since I'm not reading 5pages Razz

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Good luck is all I can say.

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:19 am

Agree with Mantus (even with not reading 5 pages, though I may skim).

Ah, sweet 16-bit evil Laughing

Sorry for the late response, I have had my own legal issues and expenditures lately as well. I'll try to remain less sardonic if not sober, as not to tarnish the professional content of this article.

To me, you have a very valid case, I'm only sorry that it could come to such a dramatic head. I wish isoHunt all the best, as usual. As much as I love and respect my Canadian brethren and sistren, unfortunately it would seem their own RAA organization is no more mature than the other **AAs. Blind accusations? Refusal to supply evidence?

Facepalm.

It is quite unfortunate that iH seems to land as a most singular defendant of the emerging BT technology, and I love nothing else as much as being proudly able to say I have contributed some miniscule effort to the cause. We all know where Hollywood came from; "pirate" of pioneering technology. The idea always becomes the institution, so long as strong figureheads will fight for it.

I thank you once more, Mr. Fung.