Afghanistan legalizes rape (sorta)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:52 pm

New Law Seen As a Setback for Afghan Women

Wow. I can't go through everything in this law, but it violates the Afghan constitution, permits marital rape, and sharply reduces women's rights. It applies to Shi'ite women only, apparently, but still affects a large portion of the population. It would allow men to legally demand sex from their wives at least every four days. It also disallows women to leave the home without a "legitimate" purpose, and forbids women from working without explicit permission from their husbands. There's more, but you can read about it yourself.

My thoughts: WTF!!!!!

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:22 pm

First off it says only 10% of the population will be affected. Secondly maybe only 10% of them it will affect....because it aint as backward there as it is portrayed, an' thirdly i know it seems a cruel an' unjust set of rules to us but they arent us. Some would argue that the west should stop pushin' their own moral viewpoint an' standards on others an' concentrate on their own. When does good intentions become interference?

Altho' these laws are somewhat in place does it mean that they will be upheld in any more than 10% of the 10% of the 10% of the aforementioned populace. And then possibly divided by 10 again!

So we are talkin' maybe 0.01% of cases are dealt with barbaricaly by our standards but can we condem a whole state for that......one that's been in turmoil for how long now?

Is this propaganda?

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:33 pm

SoDaSeeD wrote:

First off it says only 10% of the population will be affected. Secondly maybe only 10% of them it will affect....because it aint as backward there as it is portrayed, an' thirdly i know it seems a cruel an' unjust set of rules to us but they arent us. Some would argue that the west should stop pushin' their own moral viewpoint an' standards on others an' concentrate on their own. When does good intentions become interference?

Altho' these laws are somewhat in place does it mean that they will be upheld in any more than 10% of the 10% of the 10% of the aforementioned populace. And then possibly divided by 10 again!

So we are talkin' maybe 0.01% of cases are dealt with barbaricaly by our standards but can we condem a whole state for that......one that's been in turmoil for how long now?

Is this propaganda?

So you're saying violence against women is okay because it's their culture?

I don't think anything I said could be considered propaganda since I just restated what was written in an article. If you're referring to the article itself, I don't know maybe, it was the first one I clicked on. I actually read about this in my local newspaper.

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:41 pm

damn SoDa i thought i was reading something by Disco for a while, yeah i just heard about this "Law" this afternoon but inversely a woman gets to demand once every 4 months or she is allowed to rape the husband Wink

weirdobeardo wrote:

So you're saying violence against women is okay because it's their culture?

i would think, in a healthy relationship, Why would the woman refrain? unless she has a firm grasp on the whip and is a lil bit controlling...

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:39 pm

Oh darn and they used to have such good principals... Laughing

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:47 pm

Come now guys, let's not seem to condescend. I didnt condemn or condone...i merely asked questions.

This seems a worthy debate. let's keep it free from BS. (legitimate piss taking is allowed!!)

I raised the point of morals an' the personal /cultural perception of. Is this big stickin' point between our cultures?

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:45 pm

SoDaSeeD wrote:

Come now guys, let's not seem to condescend. I didnt condemn or condone...i merely asked questions.

This seems a worthy debate. let's keep it free from BS. (legitimate piss taking is allowed!!)

I raised the point of morals an' the personal /cultural perception of. Is this big stickin' point between our cultures?

I gotcha, and I totally agree that every culture has its own set of morals. What gets me is that Afghanistan has made big steps in recent years with regards to women's rights. It seemed as though tradition were giving way to progress, but this law renders the progress moot.

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:04 pm

weirdobeardo wrote:

New Law Seen As a Setback for Afghan Women

are the women really wives of their husbands or merely slave-girls? no wait, my bad..........slave-girls probably would have more rights than those poor women

oh the other hand there are already tonnes of rules for a muslim woman to follow ... which they follow ever so diligently ... remember that case in the UK where a muslim teacher was asked to remove her gurkha off her face and then teach to the students? but she wouldn't because she thought it would be a sin? ... well give is "law" a couple of decades ... then everything will be alright ...

maybe after 20years we will see a similar case where a woman would sue someone for forcing her to come out of her house without her husbands permission...

mr.karzai makes me sick. i bet he would commit genocide(which he is actually doing ,he is murdering the spirit of the woman, if the article is true ) for a hand full of votes... and to stay in power.

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:23 pm

personally i think on the political side of it we should be looking after our own country's we are in major trouble due to all our money going abroad .. and war

the new law sounds harsh but its there way of living over there , who are we to say yes you can do that but cant do this .... its been there culture for generations to have loads of wives and stuff ....

we only see and know whats going on due to news and stuff , we don't know for sure if its a good thing or bad thing because before this new law came out and got slapped all over the news it may of been 10 times a week so basically the new law may actually be better for them .....

i remember we went to iraq to get sadam who was a dictator , then we become the dictators ???

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:00 am

I have to agree with SoDaSeeD on the fact that this is their culture. I personally could not do it if my wife isn't all into it. I don't see how any man can enjoy it if his wife is crying she don't want it. I do believe that the way other people decide to run their nations is any of the rest of the worlds business. Look at the things that are more or less allowed in the great USA.

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:03 am

i remember we went to iraq to get sadam who was a dictator , then we become the dictators ???[/quote]

Look how much better their lives are now.

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:54 am

SoDaSeeD wrote:

First off it says only 10% of the population will be affected.

Hey, lets put all left handed people under house arrest and subject them to rape twice a week. That's only 10% of the population too.

I'm all for multiculturalism and cultural relativism, as long as the basis of the cultural and social values are humanism and autonomy. Otherwise, f**k 'em with a barbed wired flag pole.

I'm not saying sadistic religious despots justify cruise missiles or anything else of that sort. Two wrongs don't make a right, just two wrongs. But there are less destructive ways to combat sick shit like misogyny and all of us have an obligation to do so. Not just in Afghanistan, but everywhere.

Justice, security and freedom only exist to the extent that we make those things possible for each other, and since all of us - zebras, men and women alike - need those things, we damn well have a responsibility to make sure we all have them.

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:07 am

Disconnected wrote:

I'm all for multiculturalism and cultural relativism, as long as the basis of the cultural and social values are humanism and autonomy. Otherwise, 'em with a barbed wired flag pole.

Justice, security and freedom only exist to the extent that we make those things possible for each other, and since all of us - zebras, men and women alike - need those things, we damn well have a responsibility to make sure we all have them.

I could not have said it better. I think we have gone way too far in the direction of "tolerance" for the beliefs and practices of other cultures. Cultural relativism can exist, so long as it holds that a personal and subjective moral core lies at the base of an individual's moral acts. It can acknowledge the co-existence of opposing ideas and practices, but must also accept limits to these differences, such as when vital human needs are violated . In truth, when the standard of right and wrong is based on relativism, then society has no standards at all because as society changes, so does morality.

In practice, cultural relativism cannot and should not overcome the boundaries of logic, nor can it override the sense of morality inherent to mankind. We instinctively know that some things are wrong, regardless of the opinions of any given society or culture. IMO, rape, regardless of whether it takes place in the marital bed, is WRONG, no exceptions, just as is the practice of female circumcision in Africa.

PS: I'm left-handed Smile

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:56 pm

weirdobeardo wrote:

It would allow men to legally demand sex from their wives at least every four days. It also disallows women to leave the home without a "legitimate" purpose.

My thoughts: WTF!!!!!

I think I might move to Afganistan!!! at the moment I get it every 4 weeks and the Mrs leaves when she wants and brings me back the Bill???

My Thoughts: how is this fair on me?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:16 pm

There are a lot of things the American culture does that is deemed "disgusting" in that sort of world. You can only expect likewise.

This is not my problem, but neither is it their problem. If they legalize it, obviously it's meant to happen. It sucks, but there's really nothing we as a country or individually for that matter, can do.