Welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:33 pm

If you got here from a "Your fserve is being indexed" notice (most likely), welcome! There are some recent changes to isoHunt you should know before you start flaming:

• All non-XDCC triggers (fserves) have been *censored*. I hope this satisfy those of you not happy with your server details being posted on the web. This will remain censored until I figure out a system of "restricted trigger viewing" to select groups of people, which don't pose a security risk / invasion of privacy.

• The spider has been expanded to parse XDCC triggers as well. Such triggers has "xdcc send #" in them. I'm not censoring these triggers, as they and the files associated are publicly advertised in channels and the web anyway. (packetnews, mydownloader)

Questions / comments, feel free. No reg. required.

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This website is a good idea, however, you are accessing these channels and users without consent from the channels/users. (I understand it would be hard to get consent from every user, but every channel would be at least decent). Some files on fserves are very private, and some channels do not appreciate their files being on the world wide web. I believe if the lazy masses find this site, it will make IRC more accessible and easier to use, which is both a good and a bad thing. The bad thing, is that the easier things are to do, the more people will do it. Eventually, the riaa and other organizations against sharing files, will get a hold of these lists, find the channels, and finally, find a way to shut down these NO DUMP SITES we hold so dearly. Please.. ask channel ops/founders before you list those channel's files. Some places would rather be left unfound.

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:41 pm

thx for your thoughts. Regarding getting chan / users' consent, I am asking for it by proposing an opt-out method . Not very direct / immediate / non-intrusive, but i'm open to better ways of opting out. I only msg fserves (with the notice that probably brought u here) and not chan ops, as I feel fservers should be the ones to decide whether they want to be part of the isoHunt index.

If you say it should be opt-in rather than opt-out, look at web search engines. It's just not feasible to have a decent index if it's an opt-in system. True, more is at stake in listing files than listing webpages, and tats y i censored out all the fserve triggers to make files servers anonymous. I dont believe theres much security risk in just knowing what files is in what channel.

As for the RIAA, i've already given some thoughts to this. 2 pts:

1. RIAA / MPAA r already sending threat letter to ISPs of some fservers, before I even started this project. They have some sort of bot (nothing compares to mine of course Laughing

) that catches fserves, log their IPs and auto generate the threat emails.

2. My index will contribute little to what they r doing, as they already have their own way of finding fserves, and they can't make any legal threats based on _my_ index (read the disclaimer at the top of ReadMe )

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I believe if the lazy masses find this site, it will make IRC more accessible and easier to use, which is both a good and a bad thing. The bad thing, is that the easier things are to do, the more people will do it.

I thought tat's a good thing? Ya, i hate noobs, but don't u think its good to let more ppl enjoy irc? I'm not tat old to irc myself.

You can call it lazy, or u can say convenience. If u can't find a file, u just cant find it, no matter how leet u r.

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Its me again..

About opting out.. although its hard to find an efficient way for users to opt-in, I'm sure it can be done. Bring your idea to channel ops in servers, and I'm sure that some will support it. The only reason I'm uneasy with this is that the RI** has already busted a big server in one of the channels I am an op in, and I am worried that it could be done with even more of the servers in there. I know your site probably wouldn't contribute to the RI** being able to target our channel, but it would give the channel more recognition. More leechers, and more people equals more likelyhood of those notorious RI** bots to come into the channel. It sucks that they have to resort to this, and take away our rights, but if we don't try and keep things hidden, they'll take away everything we have as of now. If it weren't for the legalities of it, this idea would be wonderful, and even though I'm complaining about it now, I'm pretty sure somewhere down the road I'll find some use of it.

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:30 pm

at least im glad u like it :D

true, a site like mine brings more attention and exposure, but file trading just cannot be "hidden" as long as u r doing it on the internet.

Curious, y does riaa seem to pick on IRC, and not the _much_ bigger networks like Kazaa? they can log IPs on there just as they can on IRC. And Kazaa for example certainly has a lot more "exposure" than us on IRC already. Is it because IRC is supposed to be the "source" of warez?

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oxyMoron wrote:

Curious, y does RI** seem to pick on IRC, and not the _much_ bigger networks like Kazaa? they can log IPs on there just as they can on IRC. And Kazaa for example certainly has a lot more "exposure" than us on IRC already. Is it because IRC is supposed to be the "source" of w4rez?

I think the answer to that is the same as you're doing now. Its a lot easier to write a bot on IRC to log IPs and automatically send e-mails to the user's ISP than it is on networks like kazaa and morpheus. I'm sure that will come soon, but it is easier w/ irc. It also might be the "source" reason. Without IRC, there would be little to no warez.

Its funny how the mondo big corporations making bizillions of dollars from record sales are the ones to complain and take action, when the ones that are suffering from these are the indie labels, that in most cases support the internet as a source of recognition. Damn money whore corporations. Why should we suffer for taking money out of those who's pockets are too deep as it is, and putting it where it belongs, in the underground music scene. *shrug* Go american "democrazy"

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 9:43 pm

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I think the answer to that is the same as you're doing now. Its a lot easier to write a bot on IRC to log IPs and automatically send e-mails to the user's ISP than it is on networks like kazaa and morpheus. I'm sure that will come soon, but it is easier w/ irc.

i'm not sure about tat. For IRC, yes its pretty easy to parse common fserve trigger formats like Invision's, but to make a comprehensive parser that catches fserve ads of various formats is time consuming. I know coz i wrote one.

On the other hand, the protocol in Kazaa may not be as transparent as IRC's, but whenever u do a search in the Kazaa client, there has to be IPs in the search results. Lists of IP returned by search functionality built into the network, u just need to dig out the ips.

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Its funny how the mondo big corporations making bizillions of dollars from record sales are the ones to complain and take action, when the ones that are suffering from these are the indie labels, that in most cases support the internet as a source of recognition. Damn money *beep* corporations. Why should we suffer for taking money out of those who's pockets are too deep as it is, and putting it where it belongs, in the underground music scene. *shrug* Go american "democrazy"

agreed. they accuse us for thieves, and they r right. Only we r "stealing" from the leechers (them) and not the originators (artists).

sign.... tat explains y most big channels r xdcc bots to avoid their wrath

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I never asked to opt-in. In that sense I should not have to jump through hoops to have you remove me and my files and/or servers from you lists. What you are doing is invading peoples privacy and that is against the law. You are worse than a friggen spammer with your opt-out policy. I should not have to jump through hoops to have you stop this indexing of my servers or channels.

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:35 am

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I should not have to jump through hoops to have you remove me and my files and/or servers

files, yes. servers, no. Do a search and u'll c all fserves' trigs have been *censored*. I am doing "partial" opt-in by having fserves / channels to explicitly ask for uncensoring triggers.

My point is u don't have to jump through hoops to avoid "invasion of privacy", as what this website do (for now) is list files, not fservers' details.

Besides, sharing your files on IRC is public in nature. If u want privacy, don't share your files.

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Look okay yes it is publicy allowed to enter a server but to index what is on their server to post to a website is different. I did not ask for it at all. And i have noticed that alot of others do not like your methods either. You should ask permission to do so.

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 6:17 pm

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Look okay yes it is publicy allowed to enter a server but to index what is on their server to post to a website is different.

Yes it's different in every practical way, but public is public. IRC is public, the internet is public. If I didn't send u the "your fserve is being indexed" notice, you wouldn't even be here reading this, and my indexing wouldn't concern u anyways.

And no one seem to flame at my "method" of censoring triggers. I keep getting the complaint "no one gave you permission to index", but plz be more creative in expressing what you have to lose. Consider my site as 1 big fserve without giving away the identity of individual fservers.

If you don't agree with me, ban me. You have the right to ban, I have the right to index on a public network. Let's leave it at that.

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But you dont have the right to make open to aanyone on the internet what I hve in my server

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 10:52 pm

how are your files open my friend

how does anyone know what files are yours when the triggers are censored

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and you are showing any law enforcement official what network what files are on. Just start asking people or networks first so they can warn their users that this is what is going to happen

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:06 pm

i understand your concern, but this has been discussed .

i have removed networks / chans who have problems with it