ah.fm Countdown, Independent music, Ramblings on Creative Commons

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:49 am

This Is the Way.
This is where we must concentrate.
Only when the Human race stops spending valuable time and energy on stopping something as trivial to survival as File sharing ,will the world move forward. I mean, GEEZ,people are starving out there lolz, and technically theres a a war going on sumwheres and there are riots and blah blah.
so many issues for wold governments to o resolve, so little time.............. after launching a smear campaign on P2P, "coz those guys so totally deserve it ,yea"!.
Sure were doing this becoz we dont want to pay, but its not as we don't buy at all, if i really thought the album was brilliant, id definitely buy it , support the group and etc.
I can't take the insanity longer, its time for open revolution, YEa! lets take it to them , Yea! guns blazing, C'mon ya'all u heard me, were taking it to the streets yea!!
(Then the P2p Consortium Was formed, who specialized in stealth and guerilla tactics, opposed by the Global Hypocritical Initiative, who specialize in firepower, lawsuits and the MPAA, a shadowy group of tiberium-mutated beings who hate and despise everything free. oh, and to get cash u harvest Cashfields which contain cash that celebs shudve got but got lost in The P2P Quantum Network. Command and Conquer Intellectual wars Coming to a Store near you)
File sharing s the natural Progression of ideas
Smoke signals=> Radio=>T.V.=>Filesharing ( true communication catered to individual needs.)
Its just evolution .
Geez ,Mpaa, Riaa, Can't you see u can't stop evolution?, haven't you even watched X-men? A tad bit life less dont you think?
Well, there futile/irritating ressitance to the Way is pretty much expected actually, Since the dawn of history, every major development has been hampered by old crinkly men, who didnt want to change coz,they knew theyd lose what power/digninty they had by not being able to fit in in the new society and hence forced their subjects to shun change.
were in the same situation. If we Create a strong P2P community, we can undermine the very economically-inclined base of dysfunctional civilization itself! Utopia here we come.(Provided, if all progress does NOT stop after achieving utopia, cos 90% of the enlightened world are leechers)
Demonoid has been hit, Dispatch A MCV to set up a base for reinforcements.
( I hope all of u got the cnc reference......... Confused

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:22 am

I should jump in here and say, there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL that Top Gear would have paid product placement. The papers would be all over the BBC like an STD.

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:38 am

behe wrote:

I should jump in here and say, there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL that Top Gear would have paid product placement. The papers would be all over the BBC like an STD.

I was talking about product placement being put into torrents files, maybe choosing a BBC show was a bad example. lol (I am not British so it didn't occur to me they were ad free.) But good point behe. Wink

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:20 am

Ad-free TV shows .............. Wow.
I never thot id be possible....

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:24 am

Tycho_Lightbringer wrote:

Ad-free TV shows .............. Wow.
I never thot id be possible....

I am too!!! Wink

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:12 pm

here's my 2 cents:

I'm from a country where I grew up with 0-day ftps, napster, dc++ and torrents... I've never paid for a movie, song or software (with minor exceptions) simply because the price was ridiculous... Corel Draw or Photoshop for example go for $400-$900 in a country where the average monthly income is $300-$400, the price is ridiculous...

And I remember seeing TV shows in my country with MS representatives coming and telling us that they don't want to adjust prices depending on the local market because people would still go for the free version anyway... perfect! I will always go for the free version and that's the way it is. I simply lack the education or motivation to pay money to people who show no flexibility and do everything they can to resist change, new technology and refuse to simply find a better business model.

I think a wildly publicized open forum on this, at all levels, from users to politicians, would be interesting... maybe there will be a consensus eventually.

In the mean time I'd also like to ask this (and this is an example for how hard it is to draw that fine line we all are looking for):

If I get a NetFlix subscription, but never bother to actually use, can I download all the movies I want, watch them and then delete them, as i do right now? If not, why not?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:36 am

Hahahah, i heard you lol, this is a pretty one-sided debate isn't it? But it shud be pretty damned interesting to see one of those sad-life suckers come voice their opinion.There are politicians whore attcking games now, what, can't they get a decent angle for their campaign without decreeing themslves absolutely ridiculous? hey wait this is an opinionated forum. i can't insult others on basis of their opinions!!! ohh, wait all their opinions are affected by a all-consummate desire for money ,power, and the ability to stayput like a huge rock on the stream of progress. I'm justified lol.

nxxt, lol, soft ware is software is codes I.E. knowledge.its a basically a groups of commands. its like the blueprints for a building. its aPublic service announcement. its a how-to brochure/guide. Its Free Knowledge !!!!!
Go ahead , you put work in it, you deserve to charge for you work...human rights demand that, but human rights also demand that you dont freakin rip the other guy off. Now Im prepared to buy a game for the market pric ( if it deserves it) even if i already ahve it,just to support the honest programmers. but stuff like photoshop, Satan himself can make better rip-offs , he'd just stand there in the supermarket aisle, staring, WTF!!!!

Microsoft is going down..... Bill Gates richest no more.

i wanted to check netflix out myself.
a quick wiki told me that Netflix mostly does Actuall dvd rentals. you specify a rental queue, get a dvd by POST, and when u return it, you get the next dvd on the queue. theres anew streaming service, and its prob unlike the average embedded video, you wont be able dl it... but if u have a decent connection, the streaming shud be decent ( 1$ /hr).
but firefox and opera support not available yet
Of course , i could be wrong, its wiki, lolz.
this netflix thing is really kewl.
totally kewl aproach to renting dvds. Now when i have the cash im gonna buy the star wars and lotr box sets, but rentals are ideal for movies you wanna enjoy with friends etc. but if you wanna see how a movie is, torrentz lol. Consumers need 2 know what the hell theyre buying. I would never pay for ocean's thirteen, thanks to torrentz.that film deserved to freaking fail, they should have FLOUNDERED and BECOME BLOODY BANKRUPT for scrwing up oceans eleven.thats the thing.
Hollywood will continue to make crappy sequels as long as warez is discouraged. Hey, random movie 1 was really good, i guess we shud go watch random movie 2 . that movie was soo goood we have to see the second, cant possibly miss it lol.
now if the guy watched the movie on legal warez ( hypothetical - prelimanry development stages) and liked it, he would donate his money to
said movie, buy a dvd, watch on a big screen etc.( of course the guy also shudnt be a jerk)..
this system allows good film makers to flourish, and dicks to truly die. i mean, look at how much transformers grossed, and how much Children Of Men grossed.

movies that have destroyed the fabric of humanity
Pirates 3, pirates 2
oceans 13, 12
Matrix reloaded, revolutions
Saw 2, 3, 4
Transformers
Now, Hitman
i.e. top-grossers.

we refine hollywood! and tha gaming industry...
see how the music industry's changing.
each album has to be new, challenging , fan-oriented even.
the musicians will do what they do, and those who are really out of music , retired will NOT come for a GOLDEN REUNION,half a year into of retirement, and produce 4 more albums.....
the music industry is pissed, coz we got'em , next is games, movies, software, everything we can get for free.
WE DESERVE TO SHARE IN HUMANKIND"S COMMON KNOWLEDGE!!

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:41 pm

Hey all,
First post for me (I've been using IH and uT for a while) and, I gotta say, the crux of MPAA's argument really seems weak. I'm sure it's all been heard before, but...

In recent years, producers of audio, cinematic, and television content have been happy to generate absolute garbage, knowing that the audience doesn't have any alternative. How many times have you left a theatre feeling ripped off ? How many CDs do you own that have only a couple of tracks you enjoy with the rest being audio filler ?

Thanks to P2P, consumers can inspect a product before they buy it. The legal battle is occurring simply because people won't pay the asking price for quality of the content currently available.

Obviously, the potential for abuse exists, but there's no market where that isn't the case. It seems to me, after learning about artists like Radiohead and Trent Reznor, that 'content creators' with a marketable product will come out ahead. To paraphrase Reznor (in the second hand), "people aren't stealing it to make money off of it, they're stealing it because they love the band". If it forces actors to actually learn their chosen profession and forces musicians to actually get out there and play their music, I genuinely don't see a problem. (BTW, using the term 'stealing' tickles me - it really does)

I think a more important issue is that the technology to access the content has outpaced the technology to pay for it. Simply put, if it were as easy to buy content as it is to share it, more would pay for it. That says to me that, instead of attacking the entity that is P2P, use those dollars to develop technology that will generate an equitable revenue stream from it. It's all just code that needs to be written, nothing more.

Silly me, actually expecting value for my entertainment dollar...

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:48 am

I used to think along very similar lines to this post. Back in the days of Napster, I would download music to see what was what, and if I liked an artist I'd go buy the CD. Why? Quality, a desire to support good artists, and the moral sense that stealing is wrong. A lot of people did this. In fact, every study on the topic shows a positive correlation with file-sharing exposure of a work (music, movie, etc.) and sales. No more. Instead of embracing the marketing godsend that is file-sharing (you no longer need to compete for radio air-time, you can market your product for FREE), the media conglomerates decided to start suing their customers. The old model of controlled distribution is ALREADY outmoded, and the tactics of the RIAA and MPAA are just the death throes of an industry trying to preserve a world that doesn't exist any more. DRM is a joke, as are attempts to "shut down" file sharing - corporate interests will never be able to match the dedication and innovation of the legion of coders and hackers willing to push the technology curve for the sheer joy of it.

I do still agree with you on one point. One should never, EVER steal indie music/film/software/etc. Profits from indie works DO actually go to the people creating the work (interestingly, indie stuff is always DRASTICALLY cheaper than conglomerate stuff - hmmm). But at this point, I absolutely view it as a moral obligation to no longer buy anything RIAA or MPAA. For a much more extensive and eloquent treatise on the subject, check out... hmm, I guess check out my next post, the anti-spam thing is blocking my link Razz

Or you can Google demonbaby.com for "When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent, and a Brief History of Record Industry Suicide" if you don't want to wait for me to be verified as not-a-spammer.

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:10 am

wow, Movie material!!!!
lets make a movie with like ,evil conglomerate bossess, who can't cope with free shit, yea, try a last-ditch attempt to take over the world,lolz, and this young dlder and his dog buddy take them head-on when he recieves a important software emailed to him by mistake. he sets his comp up with booby traps to wait for the ethical hackers who come to take his system down.
User Is Away 3, starring Macaulay Culkin and Tom Cruise, since he can't get any roles.
Tagline: They're About To Learn That Disaster comes in small unmarked Rar Files or has names that says NOt-A-Virus

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:48 pm

A little story along with my comment...
I made a trailer of an unknown B movie on YouTube and had a talk with the producer of the movie after I sent him a pm about the video being taken down.

I said, before I put that trailer up almost nobody even knew that movie existed! I put up that trailer and it got the movie positive promotion and potential buyers.

He told me it was the label that took it down and not him, then he continued to defend it a bit and mentioned finding something I said on IMDB. I had said something along the lines of, "It's a B movie, I'm not going to pay $20 for a movie that could easily be horrible, I'll download it to see if I like it first because I only buy movies that I really like and have replay value." So anyway the way it ended was by me saying no problem at all, rest assured I WILL NEVER EVER put up or freely promote anything you make and by the way I am a producer as well.

As for Britney Spears, let me see here... I don't like her corporate programed music and act but if I did, should I buy her CD so that she has $2 more dollars to her 10's of millions as well as so her corporate jerk label receive $5 profit to add to their multi-billion dollars, OR should I use the money to feed my starving artist self some decent food so I don't have to eat from the shelter for a day?

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:09 pm

just an off topic observation... i never thought of you as a Sarah McLachlan fan...

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:16 am

They will not end p2p

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:12 pm

Thou shalt not copy.
Thou shalt not share.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. I am not against copyright or laws. This is where some of you and ThePirateBay (this link includes some pretty out of context quotes of mine by the way, and perhaps some unobvious sarcasm), but oh well. Yes, even after being tortured by lawyers in 4 days of dispositions (I haven't told you that part haven't I, and I'm not going to), I still say that you should not steal. No, I'm not being hypocritical, and the MPAA didn't tell me so. Whether you take a Christian perspective on it like I do or not, artists deserve compensation for their arts, plain and simple. That's what the whole point of copyright laws was about, and I stress the "was". The problem is not with copyright, but it being lobbied and twisted and extended such that it no longer serves the interests of the public good, that of encouraging a free culture and creativity and production of arts and related "goods" thereof. A permission culture is what serves corporate interests at the expense of everyone else. Corporate interests to profit is all good, until the expense part. The balance has been broken at your expense.

This is why support and adoption of licensing like Creative Commons (also started by Lessig) is of greatest importance. You want to save P2P? BitTorrent? File sharing? isoHunt? Then take your anarchist sentiments and eat it, because all you will get is being labelled pirates and thieves and that's not cool. (the accuracy of the name calling is irrelevant) Instead, get as much adoption of Creative Commons licensing as possible, then we can all share our hearts out on more CC licensed materials on isoHunt and BitTorrent and P2P networks without legal repercussions or risk of starving your favorite artist or actor or film maker. Because the internet and P2P is so much more than just free for all. It is the greatest radio and TV on earth. Use it in a constructive way, for good of both producers and consumers. And with the internet, the line between the two is now none too clear. Because you are often both.

That was way longer than a sidenote. I'll write more as I read Lessig's book. And Creative Commons is isoHunt's future, you can interpret that however you like. More on that too as things develop. Next year you will see interesting things, I assure you.

And I should clarify on my Britney Spears reference. I'm not humiliating or making fun of her. It was just an example.

PS. if you read up to here, congratulations, you've made the first step in proving them wrong. Internet users like you are not attention deficit. Wink

I've put this post under the Debates forum as Creative Commons makes interesting debate material, so debate away![/quote]

Beautifully noted...I agree that we need to see more of an adoption of CC licensing....this of course means artist will be morally and financially satisfied WHEN their material is downloaded on the internet. A relevant fact is that our culture as a whole is moving too fast for corporations to keep up with it (and when I say keep up with it I do unfortunately mean profit from it. With organizations like the MPAA and RIAA who represent on a contemporary corporate level the people who provide the lubrication and fuel for our culture as a whole{those people being our entertainment influences.} ...it still baffles me when people wonder why people insist on stealing music and movies and then distributing that stolen material to fellow thieves. It is NOT because they are criminals and pirates. Our laws work in such a way that the MPAA and RIAA have the ability to assign the disposition of "theft" to this behavior/mode of distribution of their material because it PREVENTS them from profiting. The IH mode of acquiring audio and visual material that artists represented by the MPAA and RIAA have produced by what used to be consumers and are now users is not stealing IT IS WHAT THEY SHOULD ADOPT AS A BUSINESS MODEL. We want to have a choice of what we want to hear and see, not just whatever happens to be in isle's 1-6 with the top 10 CD's with the highest profit margin at the front of the store with vibrant signage...or whatever happens to be on iTunes (iTunes, don't get me wrong, is a HUGE step in the right direction, but the most profitable songs are still promoted more than the songs with the highest user rating and most votes, and there is no ability for user generated content). People are realizing there IS NOT a cultural NEED to be a consumer, they want what is relevant and superior according to their tastes...we have more content than we ever have as a culture to consume and the way people access it upsets out-dated business models that depend on systems like IH and Pirate Bay NOT EXISTING for profit. Based on the speed of progression in our culture, IH and Pirate Bay have filled nearly ALL SYSTEMATIC GAPS in the way people (aka consumers / users) need to access information, the gaps that the MPAA and RIAA fill...quite fraknly THEY KNOW now that we have IH and Pirate Bay we literally don't need them, and there is a waiting shift in the way we promote and access consumer A/V. Now, we are always going to be consumers on some level whether we like it or not, that fact is why I completely disagree with you when you say that the mind state and behavior of The Pirate Bay will get them nothing but negative labels from those in the power chair. If all of the content that the MPAA and RIAA own was promoted and distributed with the isohunt way of getting content out to the public from day 1 on the internet as soon as the technology was so was rendered, we would all be singing a different tune. It's not theft, it's life. . The fact that contemporary corporate culture cannot adopt modes of content distribution as quickly as OUR CULTURE can, DOES NOT MAKE US CRIMINALS . They (corporations in question) can't be surprised at this fact, they are corporations of hundreds or thousands, facing a culture of millions, and they are the ones that chose to start the fight.

Now, I do not agree with what IH is doing by integrating their filtering system...it is satisfying an old business model that is clearly out dated...I don't believe this is a step in the right direction...which of course is moving ALL PARTIES INVOLVED towards using the torrent system and systems like it INSTEAD buying music and movies the way they want us to, at huge markups from stores that mark them up even higher once they purchase them from distributors. Of course I do not know anything about what people from IH do when the lawyers enter the room, so I am aware of the fact that this is quite possibly a very ignorant statement...so feel free to rip it apart and educate me...But doing this seems like the MPAA and RIAA have succeeded in preventing the torrent system of distribution from moving forward into the culture. With everything the MPAA and RIAA have done to keep the system down and out instead of embracing it and replacing it with their current business model, giving them the freedom to to delete content as they see fit to me seems like hiring a consultant to fire 3o of your employees, all of whom have been with the company for years and great records. They aren't embracing our culture by being given the ability to do this, they are being put even closer to a position where they can tear it down. I have no legal background, I am a graphic designer, video production artist, and singer. I have gigabytes upon gigabytes s of content that I have been able to promote FOR FREE THANKS TO IH AND SITES LIKE PIRATE BAY. Have I made any money from promoting this way...not nearly enough for the effort I have put in...but again, it is not a crime on the MPAA or RIAA's part for doing things their way that prevent ME the artist and user from profiting using my model of promotion and distribution, thats life. As far as movies are concerned...It IS modes of profitability like the ones the MPAA and RIAA practice that enable production houses to spend $70 Million on a movie WE WANT TO SEE. They spend $70 Million to entertain us we pay nothing using our method of accessing information...Seems like they would want to destroy that method...Next year should be interesting...MPAA and RIAA licensed material freely distributed on torrent sites through subscription services? Unlimited access to their libraries....MPAA and RIAA don't seem like the type's to let that grow on them...it's services like Joost and distributors like IH that are the wave of the future...though we'll probably have to give it about 10 years Cool

, until then, happy downloading.

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:49 pm

caspian wrote:

just an off topic observation... i never thought of you as a Sarah McLachlan fan...

Why, you expected Chinese Opera or something? Evil or Very Mad