PC or OSX

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:35 pm

citizenbfk wrote:

Also Mac more VIRUS free and built into the OS is a block that won't let anything install on your computer unless you give approval.

Macs are not more virus free, they are virus free. There are no viruses known for OS X, only other malware like worms.

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 6:38 pm

citizenbfk wrote:

I, BTW, run a Cray.

Doubtful.

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1. What bannerboyz said about Macs crashing is a Big Joke. Honest to God I've had my current Mac almost three years no and no major program has ever crashed on me.

Define 'major program'. Many apps crash on macs, just like windows. But that is not mac's fault.

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2. Macs are faster. Some dispute this, but recent article by neutral respected magazine. popular mechanics indicated that, at: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html

Perhaps, but any system running as little as possible and efficently coded will be the same way. If I ran a simple C calculator on my PC, it is entirely up to the chip to determine if it crunches numbers faster. It's the application's optimization level that matters.

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It's not just because of CPU speed but it's other chips, like the graphic chip, integrate and all work together better. (Apparently there is slowness associated with using the .Mac email service in Europe). Plus Vista is a memory hog and slows performance.

We could debate even to the capacitor brand used. Of course the chips matter. Working together is more to the drivers as opposed to the hardware used. Drivers interface with the OS, not the hardware magically saying 'hey it's a mac, let's go faster guys'

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3. Mac has a "consistency," so when the OS upgrades all your printers, scanners, keyboards, etc. all still work. Very few specialized drivers needed. When hardware or software are built to work with the Mac -- they work.

This makes more bloatware. drivers are bloatware. I keep hearing 'there is 2GB of printer drivers, so it always works'. But I only use a fraction of that for my home printer. dur hurr hurr.

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4. If you're going to do any printing, the fonts Mac uses -- Open Type fonts -- are better than True Type fonts.

It's the renderer that matters. Sure, fonts matter, but who cares?

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5. Reliability and service are better. If there is a bug or security problem with Mac's software they FIX it and let you know that upgrades to its OS are avaiilable for download. I've had about 7 or 8 upgrades to my Mac OS (Tiger) all free and all improvements.

You don't pay for MS's, or any, OS's updates. And MS gets updates out fastest.

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6. The new Macs -- because they use Intel chips -- can now easily and efficiently run PC programs so you can have the best of both worlds (if you think you have some PC programs that are needed or better).

VMware can do the same thing with linux.

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Plus any files from MS Office or Adobe and many others work on both platforms.

Same for Openoffice, which happens to run on windows and linux.

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7. Macs come with great bundled startup software: iLife which has programs for photos, music (iTunes), email, a web making program, (iWeb), it's browser (Safari), video conferencing, basic text editor, memos, DVD player and even a basic video editor (iMovie) AND a fine little music editor (Garage Band) -- also perfectly integrates with an iPod.

Ever hear of free open source software? Blender, GIMP, pidgin, Amarok, and many, many others are superb examples of easily downloaded and installed programs.

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The laptops and iMacs come with a built-in videocam. Prices more reasonable. Screens bigger and wonderful resolution and color. Now also new models have "remote control," when using the Mac as just a music or video player.

For a mere $400, I can build an HTPC with a remote, and I can install a webcam for $50. A fraction of the cost of a mac when used with an existing TV. I can attach a 28" monitor, of equal or greater resolution, for a mere $540. This total cost is $990 for a perfect setup, assuming your not using windows. That includes a huge montior. I think Mac can't really compare.

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8. Installation of new software easy and perfect.

Same with Ubuntu and with windows. Be careful of your usage of perfect. Nothing, not even a mac, is perfect.

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As I understand it when you buy a Window's computer you don't get much good software. Also, because worldwide all Mac users have this fine collection of bundled software for music, photos, web, etc -- users make improvements to these things and many of them free and availabe on the Apple site.

Again, it's known as open source. And sometimes I don't like running mac software. Maybe I want a different program?

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Um...I just got an improvement to a simple thing: the Mac color panel where you'd select what color you want your text to be. This one was made by someone in Germany. Another improvement for this simple thing was made by someone in England, etc. And these were all 'freebies,' and there are many others. Mac has a good worldwide supportive community

Rivaled my Ubuntu. but tell me, why on earth, would I want blue text? I can change the color on windows too. It's easy.

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Because of all Mac programs having a core consistency any other software can link to it, like any other software made for the Mac could easily link to Mac's color panel. So the email program uses the same color panel as the Text Editor program, etc.

Same applies to windows and Linux

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It's true what's said about not needing a mac though. Many graphic artist would want programs from Adobe, like the whole Adobe CS3 suite, and these programs all do the job well on either machine.

Adobe is bloatware no matter the OS. It's huge and uses a lot of resources on matter the computer you run it on.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:43 am

citizenbfk wrote:

I, BTW, run a Cray.

then this debate should not concern you, for you must be on a linux or perhaps still on Unix ...

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:16 am

toulji wrote:

citizenbfk wrote:

I, BTW, run a Cray.

Doubtful.

All your points are very good, I think. And I'll confess upfront that I don't own a Cray. Since you know what a Cray is that prelude by my pro-Mac points sort of obviously a joke. Sorry it caused consternation.

What program crashes on my Mac? In fact I was rather disappointed that I couldn't say NO PROGRAMS HAVE EVERY CRASHED ON MY MAC -- since that is 99.9% true, over the last three years on my Mac G5.

But, Dang! Version 3 of Safari, the Mac browser crashed quite often and I think it had something to do with Safari becoming available for Windows and Macs. But the latest version has not crashed.

I run "bloated" CS2 -- All it's four major components I need and want. Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Illustrator & InDesign. It has never crashed. There has never been a wait time (well, I got 4GBs of RAM).

I run Final Cut Express and I DO HAVE TO WAIT for video's to "render." This is a drag. So here a newer machine with faster speed would be good but I understand the software has now also been improved so folks don't even have to wait for rendering. But video rendering is the only time I have to wait. (Oh...and when converting a video movie to Quicktime or Flash swf. -- that can take so long I take a lunch break).

I delete unneeded printer drivers. Foreign languages I also delete.

Mac fonts print perfectly. WYSIWYG. I care because I print a lot. They also have Postscript features that help accuracy and consistency in kerning and leading, etc. Mac fonts also have "variations" of style built into them: ligatures

But now I think Windows XP can also do Open Type fonts. But maybe Mac still handles OpenType better..since a Unix base is also involved?

I'm surprised MS gets updates faster. Neutral magazine, Consumer Reports always indicates Mac users are more satisfied with quality and service.

Open Office is okay, but MS Office is better. The three software packages mentioned here and my Mac bundled software is all I need to do everything I could every consider doing and all work perfectly for the last three years.

The thing about Mac bundled software it similiar to all suites of software. With iWeb, for example, any iPhoto or mp3 can be accessed and inserted.
And it's nice that the same Color Picker can be used in the web program, in the photoshop progam (if desired), in Adobe Indesign, any text program, email program -- a consistency.

And, as mentioned I think the worldwide brain power of all Mac users do focus on this common programs and the core consistency they have to make nice improvement.

Maybe Iuse the Color Picker much more than others so being able to use it in five or six programs and having the Color Picker made better -- much better -- by freebies from around the world from other Mac users is nice.

The Mac discussion forum is also nice and all questions and problems can be helped out there and maybe there is just more of a community, focused and easily found Mac resources that work.

I still feel I haven't put my finger on it but maybe it's like owning a Mac is like owning a Jeep and then you're in a worldwide community of Jeep resources and Jeep add-ons, etc. while owning Windows ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS is not the same. Mac software is made to match the same Mac hardware. Windows has to work on many different machines.

And I sure a computer smart person can build something great at less cost. But I need off-the-shelf things that work.... [Although then I'm good and modifying software[/i]

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:01 pm

yeah so im a pc gamer and thats the way it will stay cuz i like to keep up with times and upgrade my computer to do things it just couldnt six month ago ect. and with mac this just seems impossible.

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:32 pm

Mac was superior computer up to the G5's

Then it "all" became pc....

Only dif now is the operating system.

I grew up on mac, so moving to PC just doesn't make any sense at this point, but the foundation that the tech works on isn't that much different anymore.

Just the programs you use to get your email and a few select applications for professional use in multimedia.

I love macs, but PC and Mac are becoming more the same as time continues, including they're poopy tech support.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:00 am

Mcdn wrote:

OSX/mac used to be better for graphic design etc. But with the new pc's and technology it realy isn't that big of a difference.
Mostly OSX/mac users are in love with the design and looks. Or they are just great fans.

Conclusion if you've never worked with a mac. Don't bother trying to because a pc is nowadays just as good as a mac.
Cheers,

I disagree The first computer i ever got was a Mac. I have had it and i have upgraged to mac book pro. I have had mine for 5 years and I am afraid to go near my PC at work. And also The work PC has the best virus protection around, but it still isn't good enough. COME ON PC. GET WITH THE PROGRAM. Shocked

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:33 am

Protilius watches in horror as toulji pulls out a mini gun and begins target practice on forum users.

Bullets fly by like hot plasmitic projectiles of hell as protilius jumps behind a desk clutching his 17 inch macbook pro.

"I wont let them hurt you baby!!! I promise!!!"

Toulji... The forum macintosh debate terminator!!!

Mwahaha...

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:24 am

I enjoy my customizable HP pavilion...my roommate has one too thats faster than mine but 1/4 the size, its crazy...and my OTHER roommate has one of those apple computers that is entirely in the monitor. I don't really like macs, yeah theyre nice but Im more comfortable with PC's.

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:49 pm

I respect Macs for having a fantastically stable hardware structure but quite frankly I just feel more comfortable with my PC. It works just fine with all my photoshoping and video rendering, I can't complain from the right power... (8GB RAM + Q9300 QC 2.66 GHz + HD Radeon 4850)

It's just like Ford and Chevy, both will get you to where you need to go. People take sides for silly reasons. (for the most part)

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:25 pm

Windows, Mac and Linux all have their perks.

In my opinion they go like this:

Windows = Gaming
Mac = Video & Audio usage
Linux = Everything else

All of the above = Image/photo editing/creating

I use Windows strictly for gaming and burning all the shit I download most of the time.
I use Linux for browsing the net(less prone to internet BS), music, movies and whatnot.

I don't use Mac because I don't have one.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:49 pm

As a DJ, digital artist, Computer Science major, and JAVA programmer. . .

MAC OSX without a doubt. . . If you approach a Mac with the attitude "I want it to do what my PC does" you wont like MAC. . .But if you approach it as "I want it to do what I need done" You will love it. . .

Its a different platform. . .it takes some getting used to. . .but its more powerful . .

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:39 pm

JustLucky wrote:

but its more powerful . .

Not at all true.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:12 pm

Linux [Ubuntu, Mint & SUSE] ftw!

Microsoft is the worst thing since unsliced bread... Rolling Eyes

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:19 pm

Linux is great but if you are a gamer Microsoft is a must.

Dual boot Cool