Are we destroyers of the planet????

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:23 am

yes and i dont care

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:04 pm

I can see this topic has been pretty much covered, but I don't mind stating it is definately within our power to wreck the planet. We have been doing so since the industrial revolution began. We can say "oh, well we didn't know any better then", but of course there can be no dispute we are having a very large detrimental impact on the planet Earth now. (Anyone who disagrees with that, point out how/where we have made a positive impact on the natural enviornment) Unfortunately the human species thinks of the planet as something to be used/abused for profitable gain. Vacuum up the biodiversity, cut it up into its consituent parts, spit it back out in plastic containers, and voila, corporate America's buisness as usual. Just think about it for a second. We are overfishing the oceans (Ever see those floating fish factories with massive nets that package and store everything on ship?), cutting down trees like they are going out of style (Other than the fact trees filter the air, what the hell are we going to breath when most/all the trees are gone??), animals on land and sea dying off by the truckload, etc..... The list goes on and on. Big business is ruining the planet, and there seems to be very little that we as people can do about it. I've said what I needed to, but this is the type of topic I'm very passionate about. Don't even get me started on the pharmaceutical and the food industry... (Ever wonder why it is the Food and Drug Administration instead of 2 seperate agencies? What the hell does one have to do with the other?)

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:26 pm

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:55 pm

i am going to address the topic of global warming, particularly carbon dioxide emissions that people claim affect the greenhouse affect. i am a believer in natural global warming, and for humans to believe that we actually affect the planet at a rate to which we are actually changing the climate is absurd. I admit that if we keep deforesting many species will die, but when it comes to global warming, we do little to change the evironment. over 180 billion tons of carbon dioxide is gone into the atmosphere each year. now, remember, only a little under 1 % of the earths atmosphere is made up of CO2. now out of that 180 billion, only 6 billion actually comes from cars and factories and human made machines. the other CO2 emissions come from the ocean, where billions of tons of CO2 is released from the surface, where many chemical reactions happen, and where billions of small plant organisms release carbon dioxide into the air, while billions of fish also release carbon dioxide as they breath in oxygen from the water, and naturally, from all animals exhaling around the planet. Then, most of the carbon dioxide is used by the billions of plants around the globe. also, periods of natural warmth and cold are natural according to the earths orbit around the sun. every 500years, and other intervals also, (Ice ages and such) the earths orbit is in such a state for the planet to be warmer or cooler. the last warm period was around 1400 A.D. or so, so we are really just coming out of some of the coldest centuries in this past millenium. For humanity to actually believe their impact on the environment is such that we are actually causing this warmining period (where people say ice sheets are melting, Antarctica has been melting for 6,000 years) is a bunch of crap. The planet is to large for us to actually change with the technology we have today.

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:16 pm

Lord Admiral
You're clear and eloquent in your point but use a paragraph now and then Wink

That's a thick block of text there!

The debate rages. I'd rather err on the side of caution and accept the theory that we are affecting the planet. If that theory is wrong, taking action won't hurt. If the 'it's not our fault' theory is wrong, we may live to regret it Shocked

Human nature is what it is and there's no stopping it.

We have the luxury of speculation and theory whereas it's the next generations who will live with the realities when we are gone.

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:29 pm

thats a good point, but people like Al Gore need to quit trying to steal are money to support their global warming causes that probably won't make that much of a difference anyways.

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:12 am

Blazedbill wrote:

but of course there can be no dispute we are having a very large detrimental impact on the planet Earth now. (Anyone who disagrees with that, point out how/where we have made a positive impact on the natural enviornment)

Dispute:

EZ2B0F0 wrote:

Save the planet? The planet isn't going anywhere. We are!

Blazedbill wrote:

Unfortunately the human species thinks of the planet as something to be used/abused for profitable gain. Vacuum up the biodiversity, cut it up into its consituent parts, spit it back out in plastic containers, and voila, corporate America's buisness as usual.

I agree with this, all but that it's destroying the planet. I think if you watch that video you'll see what I mean; that we are messing the planet up, but lmfao hell no we're not by any means "destroying" it. This planet has been here for billions of years before man; if it has a problem with us, it will simply erase us or turn us into a more primitive state, and then heal itself.

We're destroying the planet as mankind needs it to live, correct. But we're not killing the planet. Heck no. We're killing ourselves. And when we're gone, the planet will heal and live for several billion more years.

Blazedbill wrote:

We are overfishing the oceans

It might sound cruel, but I don't think that fish are a key component on survival of the planet Earth. Humans, maybe, but that just strengthens my point that the self-destructive rein of mankind is reaching a pivitol point on which our survival may depend highly on space colonization.

Blazedbill wrote:

(Ever see those floating fish factories with massive nets that package and store everything on ship?), cutting down trees like they are going out of style (Other than the fact trees filter the air, what the hell are we going to breath when most/all the trees are gone??), animals on land and sea dying off by the truckload, etc..... The list goes on and on. Big business is ruining the planet, and there seems to be very little that we as people can do about it. I've said what I needed to, but this is the type of topic I'm very passionate about. Don't even get me started on the pharmaceutical and the food industry... (Ever wonder why it is the Food and Drug Administration instead of 2 seperate agencies? What the hell does one have to do with the other?)

Money is power in the current level of consciousness within mankind. We have forgotten (or never known or wanted to about this inconvenient truth) that by building up a little slice of empire just for ourselves, and ignoring the negative externalities for doing so, we loose it all anyway thanks to the self destructive means of each individual's "Earth crime's" culminations.

What did we expect?

We'll have a revolution/renaissance, or else wipe ourselves out of existence. Either way, the planet will go one living. Sure it might take it a few billion years to be able to maintain any form of life again, but it will eventually. Mankind will just be one more error or diatribe in the vast reaches of probability that make up existence beyond what even our human minds can comprehend.

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:50 am

nice post 1337cyndic@ Laughing

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:51 am

I do agree that cutting down the forest is bad, but here is an interesting process on how we could get oxygen with out plants.

Nanotechnology is the use of single molecules to do jobs and such. Nano-factories would be able to process anything, break down the molecules, and put them back together. In this case, they could break down water and release Oxygen into the air by combining the Oxygen atoms and the Hydrogen could be used to power the new Hydrogen cars.

Something like that.

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:42 am

HBS wrote:

nice post 1337cyndic@ Laughing

Thanks, but I borrowed heavily on what I've learned from others here at IH Cool

I simply find it one of mankind's largest ironies that we build up all these rules simply out of fear. lol I could elaborate from here to eternity, but I'll just say this;

When people say "we're killing the planet" - deep down they know that's not true. We are killing the planet like we are killing alpha centauri. We're not. What people mean when they say "We shouldn't do X", is "I don't want X to happen".

The reason? Maybe we are naturally self-centered and aspire to some level of self-preservation. Who knows...

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:52 am

Blazedbill wrote:

cutting down trees like they are going out of style

How the logging industry works -> 1.) Find forest with trees sustainable enough for use as wood, paper, etc. 2.) Divide forest into sections and cut trees at different times (spaced out by a couple years or two) 3.) cut trees 4.)send trees to processing plant 5.) The most important part that every one seems to miss... Plant new ones!

The world will never run out or get to extinction levels because then how would the logging industry make money?

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:44 pm

where i live i know most of the forests were cut back down by in 50 years they just came right back, from natural processes or being planted.

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:22 pm

I went with yes, I guess not completely or whatever would work too, but we are damaging the world in ways that haven't been done before and who knows what's going to happen...

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:31 pm

1337Cyndic@ wrote:

Blazedbill wrote:

but of course there can be no dispute we are having a very large detrimental impact on the planet Earth now. (Anyone who disagrees with that, point out how/where we have made a positive impact on the natural enviornment)

Dispute:

EZ2B0F0 wrote:

Save the planet? The planet isn't going anywhere. We are!

Blazedbill wrote:

Unfortunately the human species thinks of the planet as something to be used/abused for profitable gain. Vacuum up the biodiversity, cut it up into its consituent parts, spit it back out in plastic containers, and voila, corporate America's buisness as usual.

I agree with this, all but that it's destroying the planet. I think if you watch that video you'll see what I mean; that we are messing the planet up, but lmfao hell no we're not by any means "destroying" it. This planet has been here for billions of years before man; if it has a problem with us, it will simply erase us or turn us into a more primitive state, and then heal itself.

We're destroying the planet as mankind needs it to live, correct. But we're not killing the planet. Heck no. We're killing ourselves. And when we're gone, the planet will heal and live for several billion more years.

replace planet with eco-system, i think thats what the op meant, even if we nuke the place and even alter our orbit the big chunk of rock which is our planet will survive and maybe even life will re-emerge but you are just playing with semantics

Blazedbill wrote:

We are overfishing the oceans

It might sound cruel, but I don't think that fish are a key component on survival of the planet Earth. Humans, maybe, but that just strengthens my point that the self-destructive rein of mankind is reaching a pivitol point on which our survival may depend highly on space colonization.[/quote]

And of course if humans have no use for somthing it is not worthy of existence, just another casualty to our competetive evolutionary nature huh? [/sarcasm]

Blazedbill wrote:

(Ever see those floating fish factories with massive nets that package and store everything on ship?), cutting down trees like they are going out of style (Other than the fact trees filter the air, what the hell are we going to breath when most/all the trees are gone??), animals on land and sea dying off by the truckload, etc..... The list goes on and on. Big business is ruining the planet, and there seems to be very little that we as people can do about it. I've said what I needed to, but this is the type of topic I'm very passionate about. Don't even get me started on the pharmaceutical and the food industry... (Ever wonder why it is the Food and Drug Administration instead of 2 seperate agencies? What the hell does one have to do with the other?)

Money is power in the current level of consciousness within mankind. We have forgotten (or never known or wanted to about this inconvenient truth) that by building up a little slice of empire just for ourselves, and ignoring the negative externalities for doing so, we loose it all anyway thanks to the self destructive means of each individual's "Earth crime's" culminations.

What did we expect?

We'll have a revolution/renaissance, or else wipe ourselves out of existence. Either way, the planet will go one living. Sure it might take it a few billion years to be able to maintain any form of life again, but it will eventually. Mankind will just be one more error or diatribe in the vast reaches of probability that make up existence beyond what even our human minds can comprehend.[/quote]

agree

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:51 am

Surely we are the destroyers of the planet