On legal spectacles

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:07 pm

My best wishes to isoHunt and TPB
And I'm sure if something happened bad to one of these sites
I'm sure that the 20.59 mil Peers won't stop downloading Wink

and sharing

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:34 pm

Oh dangnabbit! I just now decided to figure
out how to download bit torrents! grrrrrr

Its just greedy bastards, here in the States...

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:20 pm

As for the USA case, we are supposedly 'One Nation, under God.' and that God said that Greed is a deadly sin. Therefor, it is incumbent upon said nation to find in favor of p2p sharing.

Borrowing a game from a friend has never been seen as a crime. Possession being 9/10ths of the law, if I have the data on my computer, I own it. What's really being called into question is how I got that data. If it's a crime to have something that was not paid for, who do I pay for the air I breathe? Say I write a novel on my computer. It is data that I have on my computer that I did not pay to acquire. Do I owe somebody for that? Who does the farmer pay for the crops he grows to make a living? Say I make a spear from a tree and kill a bear for dinner, who do I pay for that?

If the entertainment companies haven't gotten bail-out money and can maintain this sort of frivolous lawsuit then clearly they aren't being hurt by p2p, rendering the lawsuit moot. If they have gotten bail-out money, then we the people are already paying for everything we download, and will be for centuries to come.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:25 pm

Here is a nice tidbit of copyright legislation.....

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How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?
Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See FL 102, Fair Use, and Circular 21, Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians.

As far as I can tell, the only thing that ISO may infringe on is the title of the movie or app that may link to copyrighted work that is hosted on a system not regulated by ISO.

Here is a nice piece of reference from the US Copyright Office website. They say

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Copyright law has long recognized that those who aid and abet copyright infringement are no less culpable than the direct infringers themselves.

So basically "ISOHunt". Now here is something that will make you raise an eyebrow. This quote is based on a case won in 1911. (See Kalem Co. v. Harper Bros., 222 U.S. 55, 63 (1911)).

Could somebody please tell me who had a computer...ahem...who even thought of a computer, in 1911? The fact that lawmakers had to even go back that far to find relevance to today is absurd.

The next line...

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Contributory infringement occurs when “[o]ne who, with knowledge of the infringing activity, induces, causes, or materially contributes to the infringing conduct of another.

Now if you read that...you would see that every search engine is liable here, but they have chosen ISOHunt....why? Simple...unfortunately ISOHunt does not have the bank accounts of Google. Could you imagine a case against the copyright lawyers and Google? That case would go on until Google or the lawyer's client(s) are bankrupt. Who would want to play that game?

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:30 pm

kdmp wrote:

Could you imagine a case against the copyright lawyers and Google? That case would go on until Google or the lawyer's client(s) are bankrupt. Who would want to play that game?

That's something to realize though, as the money filters out of one party's hands, it is in fact filtering into someone else's hands.
The money is always going somewhere, you'd be surprised there are people out there that desperately want something like that to happen.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:47 pm

Something else...now while ISOHunt has the DMCA Notice on this site, that definately shows a weakness on the end of the copyright holders and the legislators or the United States. A simple question needs to be asked of them in court.

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Currently, how many copyrighted items are registered in just the United States?

Simple answer...there are too many to count. Next question...

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How is one organization supposed to filter out that many items?

Finish this off with...

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Due to the failure of the legislation and the copyright holders, they have forced us (isohunt) into a position that was set to fail right from the start. Failure to protect their own works by failing to provide a means of 'digital' reference. A digital reference that would filter out copyrighted materials. A point of reference that would work with all search engines. By failing to provide something that has been recommended for years, the copyright holders are to blame for their work being shared.

There is a database that holds copyrighted works maintained by the government. Now why is there no API that search engines can use to filter out the copyrighted material? It's definitely not ISOHunt's responsibility to provide tools to filter out the millions/billions of items that are contained in the copyright database. If you want to prevent something, you have to create something to stop it. The MPAA and music industry have failed to do this.

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:30 pm

ggggg700 wrote:

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Granting legal rights to non-human entities such as corporations is immoral, wrong and like opening a pandora's box, empowering a monster that we cannot control. This must be stopped. Real people are more valuable than a corporation's profit.

Humans united against non-human evil entities with mistakenly given legal rights.

You are right.
Unfortunately, however, in the US there is something called "corporate personhood." It gives the same rights to corporations as to individual humans.
It sucks and is BS, but is sadly the case....

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:03 am

bush2088 wrote:

i'll say one thing, when IsoHunt wins, i'd sue the piss out of everyone who brought litigation against you to recoup lawyers fees and get compensatory damages.
those guys would be paying for isoHunt's website, equipment and the whole lot for a very long time.

First of all I'd like to give my best wishes to IsoHunt, TPB, and any other sites facing persecution from the media industry.

In response to this post: I like the way you think! Personally I'd go one further and suggest that people who have EVER breached a copyright law [even if it's just VHSing a tv show and lending the tape to a friend] get together and to make a class action against the media industries - They've labelled us all as criminals/gangsters and supporters of organised crime/drug peddlers/ even child abduction!... you name it..! IMHO this constitutes libelous slander.

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:31 am

As an afterthought to my previous post:

Isn't it time IsoHunt, TPB and other torrent sources played the media corporations at their own game? Sure there's some rivalry between them but they [and we] all share enough common ground to co-operate and form a new organisation to protect OUR rights. The individual sites could encourage their own members to play their part by contributing $1 plus whatever they think their rights are worth relative to their personal financial situation.

The media industry has used this tactic to spread the cost of protecting their own interests in that any political/press lobbying, advertising and legal costs are shared between them. It's worked well - they have far more press coverage and parliamentary time than we can dream of.

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:45 am

Some good points there pjvenner, but please don't double post it's considered rude. Use the edit function above your post. Wink

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:46 am

...and Best of luck against the greedy corporate douche-nozzles.

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:55 am

I'm no fan of VLC either. I'd recommend the free GOM media player - it's got most of the best bits from media player classic & unlike windows media player it's very good at finding required codecs. Personally I kept WMP on my PC because it does a decent enough job of music playlist management.

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:35 pm

Best of luck. Love isohunt Smile

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:31 am

Ive been using isohunt a little over a year and would just like to say thanks alot. F**K the big greedy companies with the c**ks in their A** and keep making them feel like Sh*t. I wish we had more ppl like you to fix all the immoral/inhumane problems with this world that is going to Sh*t. Pardon my French Smile

Peace fellas' & keep it up.

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:39 am

thats great