Bitlord

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:11 am

Can someone explain to me , why the BitLord client is listed in one of the topics here in Isohunt as ''a bad client''?

I am using Bitlord since i started downloading torrents and not a single problem occurred.

Because i trust very much isohunt, when i saw that my torrent client was listed as bad, the desire was born inside me to learn more about this issue and Why bitlord is a bad client.

I will really appreciate your help.

P.S: I have the BitLord client not BitLord PRO.

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:23 am

it is banned by many trackers.here's a thread with some reasons

http://isohunt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=254401

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:20 am

If I see anyone connected to me that is using BitLord or other similar clients (also comes up as fake uTorrent) I block their IP address, and I know I'm not the only one!

P2P is all about sharing (giving and receiving), those clients tend to receive and not give.

Here's widely open knowledge on how to ban any cheater client. (Swap peerguardian for peerblock)

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How to kick/ban BitComet:

-- First, obtain and install PeerGuardian (you should be using this anyway).

If you use Azureus, it's easy: Select a BitComet peer and right-click and kick/ban.

If you use BitTornado, you can't, so don't initially seed with BitTornado unless you don't care if it takes you 25-50% longer to fully seed a new torrent (with lots of BC peers) to the point of it being able to continue on its own.

If you use uTorrent , right-click a BC peer who's "cheating", and select "Log Traffic to Logging Tab". After awhile, you'll see his IP address in the Logger tab. Create a new list in PeerGuardian's List Manager (I name mine "leeches"), open it, add, put "BC" in range, and enter the IP address in both the starting and ending IP fields. Save & close the List Manager.

I prefer banning IP addresses in PeerGuardian because then it's easy to uncheck the leeches list when I'm downloading (I haven't any problems *receiving* blocks from BitComet peers, even if the amount they may send versus other clients is comparatively paltry).

Final note: Some leeches hack their BitComet application to report itself as a different client. They cannot, however, hide the repeated disconnect/reconnect behavior. If you see anyone doing this, kick & ban them whatever their reported client.

Want to know more?

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BitComet (and BitLord, which is a clone with ads) is banned for numerous reasons by many sites, seeders and traders, mostly for violating the sanctity of torrents marked as private.

My reason for banning BitComet (heretofore: BC) is different, and involves the behavior of the client while I am initially (AKA "super-") seeding a file. BC promotes itself as having faster download speeds than other clients, and accomplishes this (or at least tries to, before many peers kick/ban it) by repeatedly disconnecting and reconnecting in an attempt to receive blocks faster.

Two reasons why this is extremely bad for a torrent:

1) If the BC user is a leech who throttles his uploads, he will be able to grab more blocks from other people than he trades in return, specifically, very rare blocks. If he then logs off, those blocks are lost from the torrent, and must be reseeded. During initial seeding of a torrent, many clients (such as Azureus, uTorrent and BitTornado) keep track of how well the recipient of a block re-trades it, and dole out new ones accordingly; BC attempts to end-run this by "cheating", reporting 0.0% file-acquisition after re-connecting in order to be granted priority status, then it reports its "peer ul" speed as being grossly higher than it actually is in order to fool other clients into continuing to send it more blocks (when they eventually refuse, then BC disconnects and reconnects, starting the cycle all over again).

2) During reseeding of a languishing torrent, if 99.98% of the file exists in the swarm, only the few missing blocks will need re-seeding. However, if at any given moment several of the peers are BCs playing the disconnect/reconnect cheating game, not all of the swarm will be visible and the actual full percentage known. So, instead of 99.98%, it could be much, much lower, meaning that the seeder will waste a large amount of time and bandwidth re-uploading blocks that already exist in the torrent.

The problems of 1) and 2) compound each other: BC will steal an inordinate amount of initially-seeded blocks, and then conceal (by disconnecting) the fact that the torrent swarm has those blocks.

3) Most "regular" torrent-traders already know why BC is bad, which means BC users who do appear are likely to be noobs; noobs are usually slower traders (often still using modems) and using BitLord because it's heavily promoted on many of the lamer hosting sites (I will *never* host a torrent at a site which advertises BitLord). What this means is not only are the torrent's rarest blocks in possession of a cheating client, but that the peer is likely to be VERY SLOW.

-- There's nothing more pathetic than opening up a torrent to find nobody in it but a half-dozen or so BC peers all desperately attempting to leech from each other, and the whole thing is completely stalled because no one will share, even though 100% of the file is in the swarm.

BitComet is a BAD program: Kick and ban it aggressively in order to EDUCATE people not to use it. There are plenty of very good FREE torrent-trading programs out there, and there's no reason to use one which will invariably get your IP address banned by A LOT of other people just because you believe, erroneously, the hype that you'll get faster DL speeds (hype that's true only if nobody bans you because your client is a cheat).

How much do I hate BitComet? I hate BitComet so much, that even if new versions which don't cheat appear, I'm going to keep banning it anyway -- because it's tainted as a *franchise*. That, and I'm not interested in watching every single BC peer to see which are cheating and which aren't.

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:56 am

Hey guys..don't get me wrong but...i still don't get it..

djdezzie, if you can explain to me with simple english why is so bad and who is been hurt by using this client i would be again very appreciate.

I am a noob , I know it but what to do...

Just for you to know, i have read the comments from the link that you posted iamnephilim. I deleted my bitlord client and i have downloaded utorrent.

I don't know the reason for deleting it. I guess i did it because the majority says that bitlord is a bad client.

I am waiting more replies so i can finally get educated on the specific issue..

Smile

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:00 am

Dang mate, dezzie cant explain it in plainer English. If you still dont get it then there's not much more we can do for you.

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:07 am

dj's comment in plain english. My example.

When I initial seed (first upload a torrent) I give you (using bitlord) 10MB, I wont give you more until you give those 10MB to someone else. (this is an automatic intial seeding feature using Utorrent) You (bitlord) will automatically disconnect and reconnect so you get another 10MB without sharing the first 10 MB. Now you have 20MB and bitlord will disconnect and get another 10MB....and so on and so on. This isn't you, this is bitlord. That's how it works and why it's hated. It's a cheater client and is not set up to share, it is set up to steal without giving back.

Sure, you can let it seed afterwards and share perfect, but most don't. Like what was said, It's not about you, it's about how it works.

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:12 am

When I see bitlord in my client I block them with my firewall Wink

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:36 pm

Thanks lads,
We aren't rude to noobies as we all were once, infact we welcome you.
But seriously what part of my post didnn't you understand?

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:44 pm

Plain english, hmm...

Okay Bitlord is commonly thought of as a cheat client.

The reason for this is it sends forged or manipulated information back to the tracker, in an attempt to allow the client to do several things.
1 - misrepresent seed data
2 - gain the client more than it's fair share of the swarm
3 - basically rape the bittorrent protocol.

This is all because bitlord is a big fat stupid head, a liar liar pants on fire dookie breath.

um...
Don't know how much more simple I can get than that.

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:49 pm

Speak English would ya C_F!! Wink

dezzie is of course right, welcome to the forums pavlosex now listen real careful ok?

utorrent = good

bitlord = bad

It really is that simple. Smile

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:52 pm

To make it really simple and good for everyone

uTorrent is what most of the users here will recommend and I'm one of them it's a great client

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:23 pm

You can also block Bitlord and other crap using comodo free firewall it comes with a AV but you don't need to install it Wink

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:02 pm

If the majority or users use it... The system would stall...

Free sites are often slow because they do not monitor your ratio
Reg-Sites monitor Up and Down Ratios and ban if you do not seed and often provide faster DL..

The P2P system is based on sharing ..

I take from you and give you a little of what I've got..

This P2P client stops the giving back process and only takes..

Essentially it like a thief... And the more users using it will only reduce the speeds we get.

Utorrent is the go..

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:18 pm

This was a really good read thanks. I am happy to still be able to use the forums. Vuse works great for me, i had suspected that i was connected to some bad peers sometimes, so now i know what do do to combat this. Learn something everyday, thanks DJ i thought that was a real good explanation.

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:18 pm

jenga122 wrote:

dj's comment in plain english. My example.

When I initial seed (first upload a torrent) I give you (using bitlord) 10MB, I wont give you more until you give those 10MB to someone else. (this is an automatic intial seeding feature using Utorrent) You (bitlord) will automatically disconnect and reconnect so you get another 10MB without sharing the first 10 MB. Now you have 20MB and bitlord will disconnect and get another 10MB....and so on and so on. This isn't you, this is bitlord. That's how it works and why it's hated. It's a cheater client and is not set up to share, it is set up to steal without giving back.

Sure, you can let it seed afterwards and share perfect, but most don't. Like what was said, It's not about you, it's about how it works.

Now i Got the point. Basically bitlord was manipulating the whole process of sharing in order to receive only and not giving back.

I have deleted it and downloaded utorrent. Thank you very much.